MR2 MAD circle flying
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MR2 MAD circle flying
Hi,
I found a pic taken from behind the pilots in an MR2 where it looks as if they have about 60 degree bank on. If I read the rather blurry radalt I think it reads 450ft - presume this is in a MAD circle?
A pilot friend of mine asked about the airspeed in such a manoeuvre - anyone care to enlighten me - I was normally down the back at the time.
thanks
Rich
I found a pic taken from behind the pilots in an MR2 where it looks as if they have about 60 degree bank on. If I read the rather blurry radalt I think it reads 450ft - presume this is in a MAD circle?
A pilot friend of mine asked about the airspeed in such a manoeuvre - anyone care to enlighten me - I was normally down the back at the time.
thanks
Rich
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450' is a bit high for MAD, more likely manoeuvring to take up an attack track over a sonobuoy.
MAD was flown at 200' and on a calm day the wing-tip vortices would leave a visible trail on the surface.
MAD was flown at 200' and on a calm day the wing-tip vortices would leave a visible trail on the surface.
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And on a dark night at 300 feet it was $%^&*ing scarey if you wandered up front for a peek.
Speed would have been around 210k at a guess. The Retro in the Mark 1 had a speed range of 114-257 IIRC and a central of 198 which was optimised for the Atlantic.
Speed would have been around 210k at a guess. The Retro in the Mark 1 had a speed range of 114-257 IIRC and a central of 198 which was optimised for the Atlantic.
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Some great memories of 200ft in a MAD trap not many people used to visit during them times Pontious most were holding on and praying for the "mad mark" so that it would all stop.......almost as bad as stage 2 in the Moray Firth eh!!!!!
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Mad Hunting/tracking
As I recall, from several years ago.
Peace time limits were
200 ft - Max bank 10 degrees War time could be authed to 100 ft
300 ft 40 degrees - Normal Ht for hunting circle by day
500 ft 60
Speed in Mad hunting circle 220 - 250 kts to minimise revisit time
Mad tracking cloverleaf flown at 300 ft, descending to 200 by day when flying down subs track to maximise detectection range. 300 ft min at night.
With a wingspan of 120 ft it concentrated the mind of most pilots!!!
Peace time limits were
200 ft - Max bank 10 degrees War time could be authed to 100 ft
300 ft 40 degrees - Normal Ht for hunting circle by day
500 ft 60
Speed in Mad hunting circle 220 - 250 kts to minimise revisit time
Mad tracking cloverleaf flown at 300 ft, descending to 200 by day when flying down subs track to maximise detectection range. 300 ft min at night.
With a wingspan of 120 ft it concentrated the mind of most pilots!!!
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Hi Rich
Think you might mean this pic, which, I think you'd agree, is pretty awesome and goes some way to demonstrate the agility of the aircraft. You and I know what it felt like to be loading sonobuoys in these conditions - marvellous!
Photos: Hawker Siddeley Nimrod MR2 (801) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
From the caption: XV244/12 Oct 2006/ 680'/246kt/AOB 50deg
MAD pattern? Nah! Looks more like a co-pilot's short finals at Gib
BTW you do realise that most Pruners will be thinking WTF is MAD what are they on about
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Maybe see you at the closing down sales Rich. Hic
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Think you might mean this pic, which, I think you'd agree, is pretty awesome and goes some way to demonstrate the agility of the aircraft. You and I know what it felt like to be loading sonobuoys in these conditions - marvellous!
Photos: Hawker Siddeley Nimrod MR2 (801) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
From the caption: XV244/12 Oct 2006/ 680'/246kt/AOB 50deg
MAD pattern? Nah! Looks more like a co-pilot's short finals at Gib
BTW you do realise that most Pruners will be thinking WTF is MAD what are they on about
. Maybe see you at the closing down sales Rich. Hic
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Just looked at the piccie. It looks like an SCT to me - reversionary ASW.
I hope it wasn't a STANEVAL sortie:
VDC is the wrong way round! Well above 220/Vmsw! Gloves are brand new!
Duncs
I hope it wasn't a STANEVAL sortie:
VDC is the wrong way round! Well above 220/Vmsw! Gloves are brand new!
Duncs
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200' is for poofs
m m m m madmark!
Still have the scar on the top of my noggin from the forward galley door track after trying to land on the acoustic seats whilst comping, one run up from the retro and fly, twas all about timing - mine not so good
Charlie sends
Still have the scar on the top of my noggin from the forward galley door track after trying to land on the acoustic seats whilst comping, one run up from the retro and fly, twas all about timing - mine not so good
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Gday Charlie. FFS how many times did we tell you to sit down during comps?
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Good point well made! Only understood 85% of it anyway; Stasi always zeroed in on the remaining 15 ....... barstewards
Anyway, happy days, still a fresh yet raw memory!
schtumGood point well made! Only understood 85% of it anyway; Stasi always zeroed in on the remaining 15 ....... barstewards
Anyway, happy days, still a fresh yet raw memory!
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Only time I am aware that the 100 ft wartime limit was evoked was during the Falklands War.
I recall the boy captain creeping up on a returning merchant vessel and flashing past the bridge at 100 ft. We waited for the gasp of appreciation on channel 16 and instead we got...
"Not impressed mate, I've still got bits of Skyhawk stuck in the deck!"
I recall the boy captain creeping up on a returning merchant vessel and flashing past the bridge at 100 ft. We waited for the gasp of appreciation on channel 16 and instead we got...
"Not impressed mate, I've still got bits of Skyhawk stuck in the deck!"
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TOFO -'kin big Mad mark!
Was that the time your 'boy' was demonstrating the properties of ground effect by trying to push the column forward against the pressure? Or is that just one of those apocryphal maritime stories. Glad it was your crew and not mine!
TS
Was that the time your 'boy' was demonstrating the properties of ground effect by trying to push the column forward against the pressure? Or is that just one of those apocryphal maritime stories. Glad it was your crew and not mine!
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We went past Antrim (if memory is correct) for a maildrop S of Ascension during the away match, and I was looking up at a chap standing on the forward 4.5" turret as we went past. Dunno how high that was, but I suspect we might have been playing wartime rules. Fergie - you'll have been on that sortie I think? We then did the usual stand on tail, go upwards with a loud noise routine, which pribably amused us more than them.
The way the Nimrod was thrown around at very low level, often for long periods at a time, was quite something to experience - none of it was anything like as barf inducing for most folk as a MAD comp (pre SACS). I was lucky enough to have iron guts and often wondered how anyone could sit in ESM fiddling with the switches with regular breaks to re-examine breakfast. (In some cases to revisit every meal for some time past, and the occasional item of footware).
Dave
The way the Nimrod was thrown around at very low level, often for long periods at a time, was quite something to experience - none of it was anything like as barf inducing for most folk as a MAD comp (pre SACS). I was lucky enough to have iron guts and often wondered how anyone could sit in ESM fiddling with the switches with regular breaks to re-examine breakfast. (In some cases to revisit every meal for some time past, and the occasional item of footware).
Dave
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On an exercise in the med around '76 our OC, Smiling Jim, came along to see that we did not drop any sonobouys as we had expended our total exercise allowance on earlier trips.
We were trying to do an ident on 2 orange FFG in 100% vis at 200 feet. Everytime we inched in the locked up on us. We would ease out again and break lock.
Smiler was standing in the back and asked in an obscure way what our MOA was. Of course we went through the matrix and came up with 200ft. He kept repeating the question.
Eventually we got to the bit '100 ft if authorised'; he then said 'you are'. So we went in again with the rad alt oscillating between 80-120 and AOB aroun d 10-15 degrees.
Of course had we speared in there would have been no evidence of authorisation. We had a P1 and an AEO Captain.
We were trying to do an ident on 2 orange FFG in 100% vis at 200 feet. Everytime we inched in the locked up on us. We would ease out again and break lock.
Smiler was standing in the back and asked in an obscure way what our MOA was. Of course we went through the matrix and came up with 200ft. He kept repeating the question.
Eventually we got to the bit '100 ft if authorised'; he then said 'you are'. So we went in again with the rad alt oscillating between 80-120 and AOB aroun d 10-15 degrees.
Of course had we speared in there would have been no evidence of authorisation. We had a P1 and an AEO Captain.
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As long as nobody gives away anything about DCS then we should be fine!
I'm pretty sure that the Brits were the only MPA crews in NATO to fly with DCS, and even some Nimrod crews didn't employ it.
As long as nobody gives away anything about DCS then we should be fine!
I'm pretty sure that the Brits were the only MPA crews in NATO to fly with DCS, and even some Nimrod crews didn't employ it.