Continued Argentine intimidation of the Falklands
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Continued Argentine intimidation of the Falklands
It seems Plastic Face is up to her old tricks, see below
Argentina wins wider Falklands blockade - UPI.com
Its time to retaliate and teach these people who have no honour or respect a lesson.
I have some ideas, but what are yours? Here's a clue, why not make any Argentine flagged ships sailing into UK waters, first get diplomatic clearance from UK authorities in the Falkland Islands.? It will hurt them more than it hurts us. Papers stamped, cargoes searched etc. What about air traffic?
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Argentina wins wider Falklands blockade - UPI.com
Its time to retaliate and teach these people who have no honour or respect a lesson.
I have some ideas, but what are yours? Here's a clue, why not make any Argentine flagged ships sailing into UK waters, first get diplomatic clearance from UK authorities in the Falkland Islands.? It will hurt them more than it hurts us. Papers stamped, cargoes searched etc. What about air traffic?
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Originally Posted by Navaleye
What about air traffic?
On your main point; that is the threat we need to deal with. As I keep saying until I'm blue in the uniform, they don't need to try taking the Islands back.
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Indeed so, so lets give them some of their own medicine. Any Argentine ship sailing westbound through the Channel is within UK territorial waters. Unless that ship has first put into Port Stanley and issued with the appropriate clearance it should be seized. Tit for tat. The journey home outside UK waters is a long and expensive trip. Squeeze where it hurts.
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I am surprised Chile would be a part of it or have I missed something ?
Seizing any Argie ship in UK waters and giving them the once over
everytime would cost them a few $ is downtime.
Seizing any Argie ship in UK waters and giving them the once over
everytime would cost them a few $ is downtime.
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I am surprised Chile would be a part of it or have I missed something ?
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What's with all this mucking about....
In the not so distant future we are pretty likely to have some fairly noisy fireworks lying around a dockyard ....
Now we have had this bang stuff for a few years now and having never used them in anger we really don't know if they actually work, do we?
So..... before we finally lay up the delivery systems why not celebrate the next Guy Fawks night (or Trafalger day cos it's closer) over 'there'
WinWin situation if you really think about it, we get to try em out at last having dragged the things all over the gaff in a boat for the last decade, we won't have to try and hide the haz waste from them and 'they' get to go into glass making big time....
In the not so distant future we are pretty likely to have some fairly noisy fireworks lying around a dockyard ....
Now we have had this bang stuff for a few years now and having never used them in anger we really don't know if they actually work, do we?
So..... before we finally lay up the delivery systems why not celebrate the next Guy Fawks night (or Trafalger day cos it's closer) over 'there'
WinWin situation if you really think about it, we get to try em out at last having dragged the things all over the gaff in a boat for the last decade, we won't have to try and hide the haz waste from them and 'they' get to go into glass making big time....
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fltlt,
Agreed. Of course we do have the enemy within called the Foreign and Commonweath Office and I'm not sure given their treachery and cowardice over recent decades i doubt anything will happen. That said, I have huge respect for William Hague and I hope I'm wrong.
Agreed. Of course we do have the enemy within called the Foreign and Commonweath Office and I'm not sure given their treachery and cowardice over recent decades i doubt anything will happen. That said, I have huge respect for William Hague and I hope I'm wrong.
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"Protected by the Royal Navy of course while they are in Falklands waters."
Given the experiences of Paul and Rachel Chandler, I'm sure that will fill any sailors full of comfort......
Considering UNASUR is formed of the main South American nations and their eventual intention is a supranational organisation along the lines of the EU, this could take interesting turns along the way. Especially as the Chileans are also members. The article says:
"UNASUR's 12 member countries agreed in principle to follow Argentina and deny Falklands-bound shipping any facilities at their ports. Ships leaving the Falklands similarly will be denied docking and fuel, UNASUR announced after the leaders met in Guyana."
Not good for trade for South America, depending on how much they actually do with the Islands. Seems more a case of blockading their ports against FI registered and bound vessels rather than what we would normally consider to be a blockade of the Islands themselves. This is obviously more of a political blockade than a military one, with the intention of ratcheting up the "buggeration factor"... it does not commit them to using or risking any military assets or building up to the point where there could end up being a flash point. Any such real blockade, where you end up with UNASUR naval units sitting outside the FICZ/FIPZ hassling shipping is a different matter; personally, IMHO, theres probably quite a few more rungs on the ladder that they'll have to climb before that becomes a real possibility.
Might be a better idea, depending on how much hassle it is, if the FI vessels depend on trade with UNASUR members to re-register their vessels to a different flag. I concede though that this may not be practical.
Is this going to affect any of the Far East/South East Asian squid/fishing fleets who operate around there? Anybody aware of any ramifications?
Navaleye is right to say that the FCO ought to get off their butts and deal with this diplomatically. Hague has gone missing recently, god knows what he's up to. Malcolm Rifkind appears to be doing the F.O. rounds quite a bit more recently as a coalition spokesman for some reason. Maybe not a bad thing, as for all his rhetoric, Hague isnt exactly the most dynamic and effective F.O. SecState we've ever had. Not the most blundering either, Miliband had that prize sewn up after Mumbai.
It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Personally, post-SDSR, it might pay someone to blow the dust off the reinforcement plan and bring it up to date... just as a precaution.
Given the experiences of Paul and Rachel Chandler, I'm sure that will fill any sailors full of comfort......
Considering UNASUR is formed of the main South American nations and their eventual intention is a supranational organisation along the lines of the EU, this could take interesting turns along the way. Especially as the Chileans are also members. The article says:
"UNASUR's 12 member countries agreed in principle to follow Argentina and deny Falklands-bound shipping any facilities at their ports. Ships leaving the Falklands similarly will be denied docking and fuel, UNASUR announced after the leaders met in Guyana."
Not good for trade for South America, depending on how much they actually do with the Islands. Seems more a case of blockading their ports against FI registered and bound vessels rather than what we would normally consider to be a blockade of the Islands themselves. This is obviously more of a political blockade than a military one, with the intention of ratcheting up the "buggeration factor"... it does not commit them to using or risking any military assets or building up to the point where there could end up being a flash point. Any such real blockade, where you end up with UNASUR naval units sitting outside the FICZ/FIPZ hassling shipping is a different matter; personally, IMHO, theres probably quite a few more rungs on the ladder that they'll have to climb before that becomes a real possibility.
Might be a better idea, depending on how much hassle it is, if the FI vessels depend on trade with UNASUR members to re-register their vessels to a different flag. I concede though that this may not be practical.
Is this going to affect any of the Far East/South East Asian squid/fishing fleets who operate around there? Anybody aware of any ramifications?
Navaleye is right to say that the FCO ought to get off their butts and deal with this diplomatically. Hague has gone missing recently, god knows what he's up to. Malcolm Rifkind appears to be doing the F.O. rounds quite a bit more recently as a coalition spokesman for some reason. Maybe not a bad thing, as for all his rhetoric, Hague isnt exactly the most dynamic and effective F.O. SecState we've ever had. Not the most blundering either, Miliband had that prize sewn up after Mumbai.
It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Personally, post-SDSR, it might pay someone to blow the dust off the reinforcement plan and bring it up to date... just as a precaution.
As Argentina has no military 'solution' to the FI, this is the chosen path. South America is emerging as a significant economic power house and we are on our knees. Make life difficult economically and, hence, politically. Get Brazil on side and game over really. Chile will have to do as it's told or Argentina will turn its lights off (literally).
The next 'war' has kicked off and is an economic one. We have little to fight with.
What next? An air embargo? No Casevacs allowed to land? No Diversions?
This will test 'call me Daves' political muscle. My money's on South America.
The next 'war' has kicked off and is an economic one. We have little to fight with.
What next? An air embargo? No Casevacs allowed to land? No Diversions?
This will test 'call me Daves' political muscle. My money's on South America.
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Although I think Chile might abstain from any anti British moves led by Argentina, life will become "interesting" should they decide to align. We only have the one CLYDE and the whole support concept was for Upkeep in places like Chile. It's a long treck to the currently friendly S'Afrika, especially for a deep DED.
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It's about a 10 day hop over to Simonstown, so very do-able if inconvenient. Any vessel capable of getting to the Falklands and operating there should be up for it.
Desire Falkland Oil Find May Fan U.K., Argentina Feud - BusinessWeek
With the very good news of a second oil strike in the Islands, we need figure out how we get our oil off the islands and back to Britain. The answer is simple. The islands have a perfect deep water harbour at San Carlos Water. We just to establish an oil storage facility there and send tankers into it to ship our oil to friendly refineries.
From an aviation point of view, just imagine the traffic going into and out of MPA to support this. The Falklands would become the richest nation in the world per capita.
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Desire Falkland Oil Find May Fan U.K., Argentina Feud - BusinessWeek
With the very good news of a second oil strike in the Islands, we need figure out how we get our oil off the islands and back to Britain. The answer is simple. The islands have a perfect deep water harbour at San Carlos Water. We just to establish an oil storage facility there and send tankers into it to ship our oil to friendly refineries.
From an aviation point of view, just imagine the traffic going into and out of MPA to support this. The Falklands would become the richest nation in the world per capita.
Don't cry for me Argentina
Stick a "Trafalgar" class sub 0.1 nm outside Argie territorial waters... and tell them that it's there
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If foreign trawlers round the islands were "Sunk by an Argie sub" things might get interesting politically dragging other far-flun nations in to the row.
Not that this would happen of course.
Not that this would happen of course.
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Let's send Ark Royal and some Harriers down there....
Talking of lessons not learned... Oops.
Talking of lessons not learned... Oops.
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Navaleye. You are indeed right; about 10 days to Simonstown, with a serviceable ship. For a DED, though, it's a hell of a tow; even after we arrange sufficient tug power.
Can any offshore drilling experts comment upon the need for storage in FI? Is a Single Point Mooring solution for VLCCs an option?
Can any offshore drilling experts comment upon the need for storage in FI? Is a Single Point Mooring solution for VLCCs an option?
rather more effectively lets send another four Typhoons, four GR4's and a pair of E-3's. unlike a carrier we can do that indefinately, and like a carrier it shows - unlike four Typhoons - that we are serious.
the other SA countries are willing to back Argentina (to whatever degree and however seriously) because they see the current UK force on the Islands as not being an indication of our seriousness on this issue.
regardless of the actual effectiveness and military logic of four typhoons, politically four fighters says 'meh' - and the decision to back Argentina is a political one.
the other SA countries are willing to back Argentina (to whatever degree and however seriously) because they see the current UK force on the Islands as not being an indication of our seriousness on this issue.
regardless of the actual effectiveness and military logic of four typhoons, politically four fighters says 'meh' - and the decision to back Argentina is a political one.