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Awesome flying RN SAR!
About an hour ago, Navy SAR Sea King, presumably from Prestwick on OPS, hedge hopping in a medium/heavy-ish snow fall along the extended centerline of Dundee airport. Just over the trees here at Inchture [5626937N/310502W]
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...or they could have flown the ILS and then, when visual, continued visually to the helipad. As normal. Or transited visually from Ninewells into Dundee for fuel. As normal. No dwang in sight.
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If I remember my air law correctly in a RW ac for VFR flight one needs only to be clear of cloud and in sight of the surface.....the forward visibility minima apply only to FW ac.
The 500ft rule (and its mil equivalent) does not apply when making an approach to land.....
Not a case for "dwang" in my book.
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The 500ft rule (and its mil equivalent) does not apply when making an approach to land.....
Not a case for "dwang" in my book.
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DB6 ...or they could have flown the ILS and then, when visual, continued visually to the helipad. As normal.
I'm afraid a Navy Sea King doing an ILS would be far from normal, given there aren't fitted for ILS (or VOR, or DME or ADF.....).
Neverthless I have no doubt the flying was of the highest calibre and undoubtably justified.
I'm afraid a Navy Sea King doing an ILS would be far from normal, given there aren't fitted for ILS (or VOR, or DME or ADF.....).
Neverthless I have no doubt the flying was of the highest calibre and undoubtably justified.
I'm afraid a Navy Sea King doing an ILS would be far from normal, given there aren't fitted for ILS (or VOR, or DME or ADF.....).
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Crikey - presumably you do have some onboard navaid (GPS? TACAN?) to get down from VFR on-top? Or do you just avoid that situation?
If I remember my air law correctly in a RW ac for VFR flight one needs only to be clear of cloud and in sight of the surface.....the forward visibility minima apply only to FW ac.
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The aircraft have GPS, Radar, Compass......what more do you want 
The aircraft has the same icing clearance as the RAF SAR cabs, however if they have to let down, an ATC controlled approach (SRA or PAR), or overwater self-letdown are the options if IMC
The aircraft has the same icing clearance as the RAF SAR cabs, however if they have to let down, an ATC controlled approach (SRA or PAR), or overwater self-letdown are the options if IMC
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If I remember my air law correctly in a RW ac for VFR flight one needs only to be clear of cloud and in sight of the surface.....the forward visibility minima apply only to FW ac.
Hint: 1500m.
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OK, OK...lets get this right... The RN don't have their own rules...the rules are as stated in the MILAIP which is an unclassified document and so here goes...
Inside Controlled airspace they must maintain 1500m Horizontal, 1000' Vertical OR COCISOS. (Only if they are doing less than 140 knots - merlin gods have different rules if they are going fast)
The 1500 m rule can be reduced if they manoeuvre at a speed so that they can have adequate opportunity to avoid other traffic or obstacles and avoid a collision.
Outside CAS the rules are the same provided you are below 3000' amsl. above that and the COCISOS rule isn't valid.
Below 2000'agl there are different rules again.
Im 99% certain thats it but may have missed something out...help anyone?
If it was an RN Sea King(Grey and red) then it was almost certainly on a job as there is no other reason for it to be in or around Dundee... a long way from its base....where was the Lossie cab?
Inside Controlled airspace they must maintain 1500m Horizontal, 1000' Vertical OR COCISOS. (Only if they are doing less than 140 knots - merlin gods have different rules if they are going fast)
The 1500 m rule can be reduced if they manoeuvre at a speed so that they can have adequate opportunity to avoid other traffic or obstacles and avoid a collision.
Outside CAS the rules are the same provided you are below 3000' amsl. above that and the COCISOS rule isn't valid.
Below 2000'agl there are different rules again.
Im 99% certain thats it but may have missed something out...help anyone?
If it was an RN Sea King(Grey and red) then it was almost certainly on a job as there is no other reason for it to be in or around Dundee... a long way from its base....where was the Lossie cab?
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Below 2000'agl there are different rules again.
Our (RAF) low-flying rules used to be something like 500m visibility and 200 foot cloudbase for RAF Germany.
where was the Lossie cab?
Lossie and/or Boulmer already committed to other tasking
Lossie and/or Boulmer off state
The Dundee task was a medevac to a specialist unit in Glasgow (ECMO perhaps), so Prestwick might be best suited as they could collect the medical team from Glasgow and take them to Dundee
Or the RN have heard rumours of Leuchars closing and were attempting a stake-out...
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And God blessem the best in the world,whichever service,they risk themseleves for others when teachers and others close down,if the tea gets cold
