Jaguars at Cranwell.
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Jaguars at Cranwell.
Just an interested civvy. Can anyone please tell me why there were three very smart looking Jaguars lined up just by the hangars at Cranwell around mid day today?
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Post SDSR, we have had to bring them back into service
Actually they are used in the training programme for Engineering Officers at Cranwell, much like the Jags at Cosford for the trainees to work on.
Actually they are used in the training programme for Engineering Officers at Cranwell, much like the Jags at Cosford for the trainees to work on.
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What level of servicing do the Jags require for their ground instruction role?
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Dontchaknow squadron stores has been LEANed away? Go get your own C-stores.
So te RAF can afford this and not keep the Harrier in service until the new carrier comes on stream!!!!!!!!
Please nobody let the FAA know!! They will have a field day!!
Please nobody let the FAA know!! They will have a field day!!
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That the Jag remained in service for 30 years or so say something for the design.
Newt,
Please tell us that you are kidding. Or else explain what unreasonable costs you think are being incurred here? Bear in mind the aircraft are not airworthy.
Please tell us that you are kidding. Or else explain what unreasonable costs you think are being incurred here? Bear in mind the aircraft are not airworthy.
Of course they were ...........
............. fully airworthy when the flew into Cranwell - I don't think I need to explain why!!!
The Jaguars are at Cranwell to provide realistic training in aircraft handling and maintenance procedures and processes for the junior engineer officers undergoing their initial engineering officers training, shortly after being commissioned.
Part of that training involves line operations and so the aircraft are brought out, prepared and taxyed etc. They are maintained to a schedule appropriate for their safe operation on the ground but are not 'fit for flight'. They are amongst the more sophisticated (although older generation) aircraft that the RAF had surplus and they replaced (I think) some Jet Provosts.
Another batch of Jaguars, retired towards the fleet's end of service in about 2007, were flown to RAF Cosford where they provide maintenance training for non commissioned engineering tradesmen/women.
A problem with using 'real' aircraft is that somebody has deliberately put a fault into the aircraft system, so that somebody else can diagnose and sort it out. There are now four specially designed and built synthetic aircraft at Cosford which can be 'broken' using a computer based system. The trainees then diagnose and solve the problem without the time delays and other problems which occur when you 'break' an aircraft which is meant to be serviceable.
I don't think newt needs to worry about the FAA - how do you think they train their aircraft artificers etc???
O-D
PS I used to run the RAF's Jaguar support organisation - great aircraft in so many ways - just cast back to what it did in Gulf War I.
The Jaguars are at Cranwell to provide realistic training in aircraft handling and maintenance procedures and processes for the junior engineer officers undergoing their initial engineering officers training, shortly after being commissioned.
Part of that training involves line operations and so the aircraft are brought out, prepared and taxyed etc. They are maintained to a schedule appropriate for their safe operation on the ground but are not 'fit for flight'. They are amongst the more sophisticated (although older generation) aircraft that the RAF had surplus and they replaced (I think) some Jet Provosts.
Another batch of Jaguars, retired towards the fleet's end of service in about 2007, were flown to RAF Cosford where they provide maintenance training for non commissioned engineering tradesmen/women.
A problem with using 'real' aircraft is that somebody has deliberately put a fault into the aircraft system, so that somebody else can diagnose and sort it out. There are now four specially designed and built synthetic aircraft at Cosford which can be 'broken' using a computer based system. The trainees then diagnose and solve the problem without the time delays and other problems which occur when you 'break' an aircraft which is meant to be serviceable.
I don't think newt needs to worry about the FAA - how do you think they train their aircraft artificers etc???
O-D
PS I used to run the RAF's Jaguar support organisation - great aircraft in so many ways - just cast back to what it did in Gulf War I.
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For the spotters, we also have a "raspberry ripple" Jaguar T2 from Boscombe down in the hangar which will eventually takes its place in the training scheme at DCAE Cranwell. I presume it will be painted black too in due course. Funny how these posts about jaguars at Cranwell always surface when Term 3 testing takes place!
For the record, these aircraft replaced Hawker Hunters (mainly 2 seaters) some of which were purchased by people with the vision and money I'd like to have and flew them out in some cases - after some work of course!
For the record, these aircraft replaced Hawker Hunters (mainly 2 seaters) some of which were purchased by people with the vision and money I'd like to have and flew them out in some cases - after some work of course!
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When I did EOT1 (as it was then called) we had Hunters - days of fitting the gun, asking the person with the longest arm to put the starter cartridge in and playing with AVPIN!
As an ex (chopped) the highlight was the ocassional taxi ride in them with the instructors. Just a pity I never flew in one ...
When I did EOT1 (as it was then called) we had Hunters - days of fitting the gun, asking the person with the longest arm to put the starter cartridge in and playing with AVPIN!
As an ex (chopped) the highlight was the ocassional taxi ride in them with the instructors. Just a pity I never flew in one ...
When I did IEC (the predecessor of EOT), we had a motley assortment of aircraft which included a prototype Lightning, Canberra B(I)8, Sea Vixen FAW2 and Whirlwind HAR10. Highlights for me were doing engine ground runs in the Canberra (press button cartridge start) and practice marshalling of the Sea Vixen being taxied by a QFI from the FTS (very close to our own cars parked by the hangar). Funniest moment was watching one of our instructors stuff dayglo cardboard cutout flames in through the side hatch of the Canberra during the simulated hangar fire signifying that the student working inside had been a bit too slow to react to the fire alarm and was now toast !
Weren't there some Sea Vixens doing the same job, as well as a Canberra, Whirlwind (helicopter) and possibly some other aircraft types back in the early 1970s?
Edit - that was a spooky simultaneous post, RAFEngO74to09!
During our JP groundschool sessions over at the old site, we'd often watch baby JEngOs being chased by aircraft various down at AeroThermo - or so it appeared!
Edit - that was a spooky simultaneous post, RAFEngO74to09!
During our JP groundschool sessions over at the old site, we'd often watch baby JEngOs being chased by aircraft various down at AeroThermo - or so it appeared!
Newt,
The FAA have their own ground instructional taxiable Harriers.
The Royal Navy webpage is now a dead link, but still visible on a cached search.
'Dummy Deck : School of Flight Deck Operations : RNAS Culdrose
Royal Navy School of Flight Deck Operations
Dummy Deck HMS Siskin
Aircraft Handling (AH) training was established at Fort Rowner, Gosport in 1946, which became RNAS Gosport (HMS Siskin). The School of Aircraft Handling (SAH) moved to RNAS Culdrose in 1959.
Today, HMS Siskin’s dummy deck is a full size replica of the flight deck of an Invincible class CVS aircraft carrier and, when used with ‘live’ ground instructional aircraft and in-service ground support equipment, provides the ideal controlled training environment for aircraft ground handling, launch/recovery and emergency procedures. Deviation from procedures and mistakes, which could lead to a serious incident on board ship, can be thoroughly de-briefed, corrected and learnt from, without damage to expensive operational aircraft. The low number of recordable ground handling and flight safety incidents aboard the various multi spot decks, especially during recent intensive operations, is further evidence to support the use of ‘live’ training aircraft.
The Air Engineering and Training Support Manager (AETSM) manages the facility, RN instructors deliver the training and a team of seven MoD engineering civil servants maintain the Sea Harrier FA2 and Harrier T8 aircraft. These ‘live’ fixed wing aircraft are taxied on and around the 'flight deck' carrying out simulated launches, recoveries and movements, as directed by Aircraft Handler students under training. Also, non-functional Sea King, Lynx and Merlin helicopters are used in conjunction with the ‘live’ Harriers to empathise tight operating parameters of a busy and hazardous operational flight deck. All aspects of flight safety are considered when moving aircraft around, as they would be on a real aircraft carrier, especially the effect of Jet Blast from the Harriers, which could blow a person overboard'
Training deck plays a crucial role in handling every situation
TJ
The FAA have their own ground instructional taxiable Harriers.
The Royal Navy webpage is now a dead link, but still visible on a cached search.
'Dummy Deck : School of Flight Deck Operations : RNAS Culdrose
Royal Navy School of Flight Deck Operations
Dummy Deck HMS Siskin
Aircraft Handling (AH) training was established at Fort Rowner, Gosport in 1946, which became RNAS Gosport (HMS Siskin). The School of Aircraft Handling (SAH) moved to RNAS Culdrose in 1959.
Today, HMS Siskin’s dummy deck is a full size replica of the flight deck of an Invincible class CVS aircraft carrier and, when used with ‘live’ ground instructional aircraft and in-service ground support equipment, provides the ideal controlled training environment for aircraft ground handling, launch/recovery and emergency procedures. Deviation from procedures and mistakes, which could lead to a serious incident on board ship, can be thoroughly de-briefed, corrected and learnt from, without damage to expensive operational aircraft. The low number of recordable ground handling and flight safety incidents aboard the various multi spot decks, especially during recent intensive operations, is further evidence to support the use of ‘live’ training aircraft.
The Air Engineering and Training Support Manager (AETSM) manages the facility, RN instructors deliver the training and a team of seven MoD engineering civil servants maintain the Sea Harrier FA2 and Harrier T8 aircraft. These ‘live’ fixed wing aircraft are taxied on and around the 'flight deck' carrying out simulated launches, recoveries and movements, as directed by Aircraft Handler students under training. Also, non-functional Sea King, Lynx and Merlin helicopters are used in conjunction with the ‘live’ Harriers to empathise tight operating parameters of a busy and hazardous operational flight deck. All aspects of flight safety are considered when moving aircraft around, as they would be on a real aircraft carrier, especially the effect of Jet Blast from the Harriers, which could blow a person overboard'
Training deck plays a crucial role in handling every situation
TJ
Newt,
I don't think that any of these Jaguars at RAF Cranwell were flown in. Most had been ground instructional airframes at other bases. These are GR.1s with a few T2s.
Target Lock: Jaguar : Production - United Kingdom
TJ
I don't think that any of these Jaguars at RAF Cranwell were flown in. Most had been ground instructional airframes at other bases. These are GR.1s with a few T2s.
Target Lock: Jaguar : Production - United Kingdom
TJ
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
I can just imagine the baby Engs all kee to get oily then being disappointed that it is on a 70s aircraft 40 years old.
Only to get out in the real world to work on a 60s aircraft 50 years old or even a 40s aircraft 70 years old
Only to get out in the real world to work on a 60s aircraft 50 years old or even a 40s aircraft 70 years old