Lossie protest
Surely there is a difference between the two threads.
The one you started was a fairly blatant advertisement for people to join some facething campaign to save a base - hence advertising, which the mods don't approve of. Whereas this one reports on a protest march at a military base, widely reported by the BBC, that was attended by the political leaders of all the main parties in the relevant country. As such this thread seeks to inform and discuss, rather than being an advertising campaign as such....
The one you started was a fairly blatant advertisement for people to join some facething campaign to save a base - hence advertising, which the mods don't approve of. Whereas this one reports on a protest march at a military base, widely reported by the BBC, that was attended by the political leaders of all the main parties in the relevant country. As such this thread seeks to inform and discuss, rather than being an advertising campaign as such....
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Leuchars to be sacrificed to save Lossie?
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Will the new(ish) £20M runway at Leuchars be moved elsewhere.......
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Hmm,
" National Security Strategy, given its proximity to 80% of Scotland's population and easy links to transport and government infrastructure, including a lot of nuclear facilities"."
that could be important, along with rosyth. (which is why it has been there all along).
As for Lossie, god forsaken place, always windy.
Good pre OA (Falklands) deployment training area. (which is why it has been there all along).
Anyway these threads are STUPID, we should be fighting ALL closures, not back stabbing* (LOL) bases around the country.
* front stabbing polliticians, however, fully supported.
" National Security Strategy, given its proximity to 80% of Scotland's population and easy links to transport and government infrastructure, including a lot of nuclear facilities"."
that could be important, along with rosyth. (which is why it has been there all along).
As for Lossie, god forsaken place, always windy.
Good pre OA (Falklands) deployment training area. (which is why it has been there all along).
Anyway these threads are STUPID, we should be fighting ALL closures, not back stabbing* (LOL) bases around the country.* front stabbing polliticians, however, fully supported.
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Oh dear, the 'it's close to Edinburgh' argument again - a fact that is more likely to lose the debate for Leuchars than win it given the shock-absorbing effect of the 'Edinburgh economy'.
Should we not just be making the best of what is left, rather than making parochial decisions? If that means we have to close a station to protect future capability then the hard choice has to be made. A lot of airfields with just a few aircraft on each would hardly represent best value for the taxpayer.
Should we not just be making the best of what is left, rather than making parochial decisions? If that means we have to close a station to protect future capability then the hard choice has to be made. A lot of airfields with just a few aircraft on each would hardly represent best value for the taxpayer.
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If we are thinking strategically about Defence of the UK, the impact on the local economy is a completely spurious distraction. Sure, some jobs will be lost in Moray if Lossie closes, and Leuchars/St Andrews could arguably better absorb that impact, but what does that matter when the reason for having an RAF base is NOT for civilian job creation?
Other arguments such as the state of current infrastructure at Leuchars seem to be also completely spurious and very short-sighted - if you are buying a house, do you buy a nice property in completely the wrong location for your needs, or do you invest in property for the long-term, in the right place? Location, location, location.
Other arguments such as the state of current infrastructure at Leuchars seem to be also completely spurious and very short-sighted - if you are buying a house, do you buy a nice property in completely the wrong location for your needs, or do you invest in property for the long-term, in the right place? Location, location, location.
As for Lossie, god forsaken place, always windy.
Good pre OA (Falklands) deployment training area. (which is why it has been there all along).
Good pre OA (Falklands) deployment training area. (which is why it has been there all along).
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Didnt like it , when i had my first draft to Hms Fulmar as a 16 yr old. But soon loved the place, always put it down as my preferance draft, when returning from the Far East
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Has Lossiemouth and leuchars got all the modern infrastructue installed such as new or upgraded accommodation new gym modern Sqn buildings new ops building modern supply and GEF facilities DII(F) etc etc if not I know a Scottish base which has. Albeit has no HAS facilities except for personnel shelters. Also has many lodger units such as the back up for Tazcomm and the ARCC. Nimrod may be gone but there is a modern base available or are the powers to be only looking at existing 1Gp bases which would be very blinkered
Hoots,
The presence of the geese makes Kinloss a less-than-ideal choice for permanent basing of fast jets. It's OK as a base for exercises and as a div, but if you operated there all year the question would not be 'if' an GR4/F35C would be lost to a goose-strike, but 'when'. The crosswind at Kinloss often gets a bit sporty for FJ ops as well, whereas Lossie at least has 2 runways.
The more gets written about the advantages of keeping Lossie and closing Leuchars, the more likely it sounds to me... you could even argue to keep Kinloss open as an RLG! There is no way that the RAF can play up Leuchars' position close to Edinburgh as being an operational advantage, because that would raise the question of why Southern QRA isn't closer to London
The presence of the geese makes Kinloss a less-than-ideal choice for permanent basing of fast jets. It's OK as a base for exercises and as a div, but if you operated there all year the question would not be 'if' an GR4/F35C would be lost to a goose-strike, but 'when'. The crosswind at Kinloss often gets a bit sporty for FJ ops as well, whereas Lossie at least has 2 runways.
The more gets written about the advantages of keeping Lossie and closing Leuchars, the more likely it sounds to me... you could even argue to keep Kinloss open as an RLG! There is no way that the RAF can play up Leuchars' position close to Edinburgh as being an operational advantage, because that would raise the question of why Southern QRA isn't closer to London