32(TR) Sqn - Why do we have/need them?
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Why do people ask these questions and not just reasearch themselves? As quoted from the September/October Operational Update:
Comms Fleet
The HS 125 and BAe 146 aircraft of Number 32 (The Royal) Squadron are presently based in the Gulf. During the week the aircraft carried a number of VVIPs, VIPs and other key personnel in and out of theatre.
Comms Fleet
The Bae 125s and 146s of the RAF’s Communications Fleet have had a very busy period moving VIPs, other personnel and urgent equipment around the Middle East.
Editor: Sqn Ldr P R Lipscomb.
Ie. They move valuable assets around theatre, providing a bespoke service to anywhere at a fraction of the cost of a big asset. If you think it is better to leave 60 odd troops and get a C130 to do the moves then I'm sure that will be well received. I think you'll find that 32 have taken part in every conflict since GW1.
Comms Fleet
The HS 125 and BAe 146 aircraft of Number 32 (The Royal) Squadron are presently based in the Gulf. During the week the aircraft carried a number of VVIPs, VIPs and other key personnel in and out of theatre.
Comms Fleet
The Bae 125s and 146s of the RAF’s Communications Fleet have had a very busy period moving VIPs, other personnel and urgent equipment around the Middle East.
Editor: Sqn Ldr P R Lipscomb.
Ie. They move valuable assets around theatre, providing a bespoke service to anywhere at a fraction of the cost of a big asset. If you think it is better to leave 60 odd troops and get a C130 to do the moves then I'm sure that will be well received. I think you'll find that 32 have taken part in every conflict since GW1.
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Saying 32 Sqn is there for Comp is like saying that the purpose of the RN is to hold Cocktail Parties all over the world. Yes it is something they do but it is not their role.
The role is highlighted above. They are only there because PJHQ deem that they are essential for the UK's contribution to coalitions' Ops in the region. With pressure on to reduce the UK's deployed footprint if PJHQ were not convinced that they were required they'd be back home.
The role is highlighted above. They are only there because PJHQ deem that they are essential for the UK's contribution to coalitions' Ops in the region. With pressure on to reduce the UK's deployed footprint if PJHQ were not convinced that they were required they'd be back home.
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771 is a search and rescue squadron .... 32 R Squadron is not.
771 Squadron is being chopped.....
So, what does 32 do? And more importantly, if we scrapped them what would the consequences be? If you were compiling a business case to save 32 sqdn what would you reason?
771 Squadron is being chopped.....
So, what does 32 do? And more importantly, if we scrapped them what would the consequences be? If you were compiling a business case to save 32 sqdn what would you reason?
...no, he can't.
He also doesn't let facts - such as the fact that 771 Sqn "...transfer a lot of babies and old people around...", admittedly ill babies and old people, which was his criteria (not mine) for chopping a squadron "straight away" (see post 40) - get in the way of his arguments....
He also doesn't let facts - such as the fact that 771 Sqn "...transfer a lot of babies and old people around...", admittedly ill babies and old people, which was his criteria (not mine) for chopping a squadron "straight away" (see post 40) - get in the way of his arguments....
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So nobody can be bothered to justify why we should keep the baby squadron? I've just got off the phone from a long chat with the execs of the most famous rescue squadron and they tell me that they have not had the privilege or honour of rescuing any babies this year.
So 32 sqdn is the VIP carrying sqdn who also transfer old people and young people .... Good ....
Thankfully I'm not a wso who is about to lose his job.... Are there Ny wso's on 32 ?
So 32 sqdn is the VIP carrying sqdn who also transfer old people and young people .... Good ....
Thankfully I'm not a wso who is about to lose his job.... Are there Ny wso's on 32 ?
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Well PJHQ obviously think that they are a worthwhile asset to have in the region(covering several JOAs). Perhaps they have consulted with your good self.
So nobody can be bothered to justify why we should keep the baby squadron?
I've just got off the phone from a long chat with the execs of the most famous rescue squadron
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The reality is that by the time one factors the cost of all the faceless entities that might be involved in winding down and disposing of 32 squadron assets along with those of RAF Northolt, it’s unlikely there would be any significant pounds left in the pot anyhow (if any at all). With regard to current Afghanistan operations, the only real saving is likely to be the actual operating costs and as the actual cost of providing an alternative most likely higher and coming with an operational penalty also, it would seem a bit of a no brainer to leave things alone. Here is a low cost unit contributing in a variety of roles that help support a broad spectrum of activities. Leave it alone would seem to be a good idea, or risk reducing assets with the real risk of little if any significant savings.
Cazatou,
What you say certainly works for me & during my four super years on the 125 at Northolt, on the odd occassion I was called to carry out some of the flights you mention.
Although I can understand some of the arguements associated with this post, could there not be the odd emerald eye here & there as well.
Well said `K`, hope all is well with you, regards `L`.
What you say certainly works for me & during my four super years on the 125 at Northolt, on the odd occassion I was called to carry out some of the flights you mention.
Although I can understand some of the arguements associated with this post, could there not be the odd emerald eye here & there as well.
Well said `K`, hope all is well with you, regards `L`.
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"32 have taken part in every conflict since gulf war1"
Plus providing aircraft over many years in support of Civil and Military Powers in Northern Island; my log books show some 230 sorties whilst on 32 Sqn to NI plus, of course, others to Dublin during "The Troubles".
In addition the Sqn provided support to other problem areas such as during Op Corporate in 1979/80 as well as during the lengthy problems of the FRY.
I am afraid that Vecvec is one of those who believe that you should never let facts get in the way of Inter Service prejudice.
"32 have taken part in every conflict since gulf war1"
Plus providing aircraft over many years in support of Civil and Military Powers in Northern Island; my log books show some 230 sorties whilst on 32 Sqn to NI plus, of course, others to Dublin during "The Troubles".
In addition the Sqn provided support to other problem areas such as during Op Corporate in 1979/80 as well as during the lengthy problems of the FRY.
I am afraid that Vecvec is one of those who believe that you should never let facts get in the way of Inter Service prejudice.
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Caz,
I do understand your support and loyalty to 32 Sqn, you having been such a predominant and clearly vital part of that sqn during your career, but are you certain by that last statement?
But Op Corporate?? When and where exactly did 32 Sqn get involved in Op Corporate pray tell, because the whole time I was deployed to ASI, I don't ever remember seeing a 32 Sqn aircraft there, ever. Now it could have been that, whilst those of us on Ops, were flying those very long sorties, a 32 sqn aircraft nipped in, said hello and cleared off again, but I still don't ever remember seeing one of your aircraft on the movements list. Could be wrong of course, and I'm sure you will tell me.
On the otherhand, if you are saying that you guys flew Mrs T somewhere to meet up with say Gen Haig, then OK, I see your point. The same goes for the Balkans. With the exception of flying CAS, ACAS, AOC and a couple of VIPs around, what else did you do there also??
Maybe you flew the odd VSO around the UK or EU 'in support' of ops? But by that very same measure, every soul in the RAF and infact in all three services have all been involved in every conflict going in some way!
Anyway, I'm going to sit back now and await Op Corporate stories and details and how 32 Sqn saved the day (sorry for that last bit)
..................................fire away!
I do understand your support and loyalty to 32 Sqn, you having been such a predominant and clearly vital part of that sqn during your career, but are you certain by that last statement?
But Op Corporate?? When and where exactly did 32 Sqn get involved in Op Corporate pray tell, because the whole time I was deployed to ASI, I don't ever remember seeing a 32 Sqn aircraft there, ever. Now it could have been that, whilst those of us on Ops, were flying those very long sorties, a 32 sqn aircraft nipped in, said hello and cleared off again, but I still don't ever remember seeing one of your aircraft on the movements list. Could be wrong of course, and I'm sure you will tell me.
On the otherhand, if you are saying that you guys flew Mrs T somewhere to meet up with say Gen Haig, then OK, I see your point. The same goes for the Balkans. With the exception of flying CAS, ACAS, AOC and a couple of VIPs around, what else did you do there also??
Maybe you flew the odd VSO around the UK or EU 'in support' of ops? But by that very same measure, every soul in the RAF and infact in all three services have all been involved in every conflict going in some way!
Anyway, I'm going to sit back now and await Op Corporate stories and details and how 32 Sqn saved the day (sorry for that last bit)
..................................fire away!
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The average LCR first tourist Co Pilot on the Wessex or Puma would get that many approaches in a 21 day shift. Not PAR's and ILS's into Aldergrove but across the various rocket fences into the FOB's and Forts of South Armagh, Fermanagh and the like.
Now then about this Op Corporate business are we about to see the outing of a Walt
Now then about this Op Corporate business are we about to see the outing of a Walt
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Oh for God's sake!
Caz obviously is referring to Op Corporate Hospitality.
"Another smoked salmon sandwich, CAS?"
But seriously, in my time in hot and sandy places, I was amazed to see the '125's popping up in the most unlikely places and DCO'ing the most unlikely tasks.
Caz obviously is referring to Op Corporate Hospitality.
"Another smoked salmon sandwich, CAS?"
But seriously, in my time in hot and sandy places, I was amazed to see the '125's popping up in the most unlikely places and DCO'ing the most unlikely tasks.
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Plus Northolt is probably the only RAF Airfield to run a profit/ break even due to all the private customers wanting to get to London in their private jets and not wanting to brave Heathrow/ Gatwick.
Have they not heard of London City Airport, then?
Have they not heard of London City Airport, then?
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Caz
As someone who expects everybody to respond to your posts within minutes of you posting them, why are you ignoring those posts from SFFP, BGG, CS and of myself??
Maybe it's all getting a bit too much for you eh??
You are always quick to tell us how good you were, that you had 'exceptional' (I think you said) in your log book, but your lack of input and responce to taxing questions and issues speaks volumes.
I'm beginging to think SFFP might just have a point here..............you are a Walt!
As someone who expects everybody to respond to your posts within minutes of you posting them, why are you ignoring those posts from SFFP, BGG, CS and of myself??
Maybe it's all getting a bit too much for you eh??
You are always quick to tell us how good you were, that you had 'exceptional' (I think you said) in your log book, but your lack of input and responce to taxing questions and issues speaks volumes.
I'm beginging to think SFFP might just have a point here..............you are a Walt!