Military Licence Exemptions beyond April 2012
nice castle, that was indeed the case.
Back when the present system was first suggested, it would have targetted someone who had probably given 10 years productive service since his/her OCU. So, for ME pilots, that would have been a co-pilot tour, captain tour, QFI tour, further captain tour. Age early to mid-30s with easily 2000 hr TT, of which 1500 P1 (incl. 500 P1 as co-pilot).
Part of the deal was to substitute theoretical knowledge exams with practical experience, leaving only Air Law as the single exam.
But with progressive training cut-backs and general dumbing down (often driven by impatient Stn Cdrs who couldn't be arsed to do the groundschool course.....
), how relevant are the original assumptions nowadays? World-wide experience might have been common in the 80s and 90s; indeed, I recall 'JR' producing a globe from behind the lectern on our first morning of VC10 groundschool and announcing "Gentlemen, this is a VC10 local area map!". But how much experience can you gather from Groundhog Day trips to 3 destinations? I've met TriStar captains who've never flown a NAT track - unbelievable!
If you compare even the 'CEB' PFB exams we had to pass as UAS students in the 1970s with the 'Janet and John Go Flying' rubbish of the 1990s, you'll see the effect which 20 years of progressive training cuts had. I had to know more as a UAS student in 1972 than many a B1 UAS QFI of 1992 did - as the CFI confirmed!
I was told that some RAF pilots went to do the Gulfstream G V course prior to the Sentinel - and the course instructors were astonished at the lack of knowledge the pilots exhibited. It was just the same when some RAF trainees were sent to Prestwick to fly the Seneca as an experiment. Lots of airmanship and stick-and-rudder skills, but sod all theoretical knowledge.
Back when the present system was first suggested, it would have targetted someone who had probably given 10 years productive service since his/her OCU. So, for ME pilots, that would have been a co-pilot tour, captain tour, QFI tour, further captain tour. Age early to mid-30s with easily 2000 hr TT, of which 1500 P1 (incl. 500 P1 as co-pilot).
Part of the deal was to substitute theoretical knowledge exams with practical experience, leaving only Air Law as the single exam.
But with progressive training cut-backs and general dumbing down (often driven by impatient Stn Cdrs who couldn't be arsed to do the groundschool course.....
), how relevant are the original assumptions nowadays? World-wide experience might have been common in the 80s and 90s; indeed, I recall 'JR' producing a globe from behind the lectern on our first morning of VC10 groundschool and announcing "Gentlemen, this is a VC10 local area map!". But how much experience can you gather from Groundhog Day trips to 3 destinations? I've met TriStar captains who've never flown a NAT track - unbelievable!If you compare even the 'CEB' PFB exams we had to pass as UAS students in the 1970s with the 'Janet and John Go Flying' rubbish of the 1990s, you'll see the effect which 20 years of progressive training cuts had. I had to know more as a UAS student in 1972 than many a B1 UAS QFI of 1992 did - as the CFI confirmed!
I was told that some RAF pilots went to do the Gulfstream G V course prior to the Sentinel - and the course instructors were astonished at the lack of knowledge the pilots exhibited. It was just the same when some RAF trainees were sent to Prestwick to fly the Seneca as an experiment. Lots of airmanship and stick-and-rudder skills, but sod all theoretical knowledge.
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Hope everyone got their applications in before the '8 Apr' deadline which was in fact yesterday (5 Apr).
Now to wait and see what the new QSP allowances are. Place your bets as to when they might be published and what they might entail.
SM.
Now to wait and see what the new QSP allowances are. Place your bets as to when they might be published and what they might entail.
SM.
I was told that some RAF pilots went to do the Global Express (Gulfstream G V) course prior to the Sentinel - and the course instructors were astonished at the lack of knowledge the pilots exhibited. It was just the same when some RAF trainees were sent to Prestwick to fly the Seneca as an experiment. Lots of airmanship and stick-and-rudder skills, but sod all theoretical knowledge
Not so, they were and have always been very impressed by the knowledge of all of the RAF's Sentinel pilots, ab-initios included. Indeed, on any given Recurrent you will very rarely find a civie giving an answer - let alone a correct one - during the ground tech lectures. Then you get the stories from the sim instructors about what some of the civies are like at flying!!!
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I guess people do that to add context, otherwise if he'd have said NATs, people might have thought he meant donut-eaters.
PIN, ie something that you stuff into your eyes when using the DLP Portal, as opposed to DLP, which may mean deck landing practice, or dust landing practice. Hence PIN number to add the context.
FLAC? What, FLACk jacket? Oh....you mean the FLAC course.
adds context and clarity, despite not being technically in the spirit of what a TLA is meant to achieve.
Our langauge is so over-complicated.
No wonder the spams can't handle it. For example, they dumb down words like over-complicated, and use 'complex' which has 2 syllables instead of 6. Lazy CNTs.
PIN, ie something that you stuff into your eyes when using the DLP Portal, as opposed to DLP, which may mean deck landing practice, or dust landing practice. Hence PIN number to add the context.
FLAC? What, FLACk jacket? Oh....you mean the FLAC course.
adds context and clarity, despite not being technically in the spirit of what a TLA is meant to achieve.
Our langauge is so over-complicated.
No wonder the spams can't handle it. For example, they dumb down words like over-complicated, and use 'complex' which has 2 syllables instead of 6. Lazy CNTs.
Last edited by nice castle; 7th Apr 2012 at 23:27. Reason: amazingly, when discussing English, I spelt it 'practise' first time round. Which would be correct for a spam. I think.
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Seems as though Mr FedEx has been busy delivering JAA and CAA licences this last fortnight.
Anybody disappointed or still waiting?
Best of luck to those still waiting with bated breath.
Anybody disappointed or still waiting?
Best of luck to those still waiting with bated breath.
I think a vote of thanks should go to the boys and girls in the FCL office who were even working on Saturday to process the enormous quantity of mil licence applications to get them done before the deadline.
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H Peacock
"Then you get the stories from the sim instructors about what some of the civies are like at flying!!!"
You might want to be a little careful throwing stones there, what with glass houses and all......
"Then you get the stories from the sim instructors about what some of the civies are like at flying!!!"
You might want to be a little careful throwing stones there, what with glass houses and all......
Hey Tourist. Not having a go at anyone, but simply highlighting that the CAE instructors are generally quite impressed with the standards from the military guys in the Global sim.
Well my application was faxed to the CAA on Thursday last week and my ATPLH renewal arrived in the post today!
my application was faxed to the CAA on Thursday last week and my ATPLH renewal arrived in the post today!
TOTD - nice try but the 'renewal' was a clue first issued in 1991
Despite many emails to CAA and poring over LASORS, it wasn't clear if I could use the mil exemptions to renew my licence since I am not current on the 2 types in it - the answer was eventually yes.
first issued in 1991 Despite many emails to CAA and poring over LASORS, it wasn't clear if I could use the mil exemptions to renew my licence since I am not current on the 2 types in it - the answer was eventually yes.
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MCC
Has anyone applied for the MCC under the old regs? If so do you get a certificate through? I sent off the relevant forms and the cost of the certificate has been taken from my account but I have not heard a thing from the CAA.
Would they take the money if they decided not to give me the MCC?
Would they take the money if they decided not to give me the MCC?
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Ed,
Thanks for the reply. The piece of paper arrived today (potentially £2000 saved
). It definitely says certificate on it but I get your point!
Thanks for the reply. The piece of paper arrived today (potentially £2000 saved
). It definitely says certificate on it but I get your point!
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