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Lossie next?

Old 21st Oct 2010, 19:07
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Lossie next?

More calculated leaks, or just a rumour/planning option...?

BBC News - Fears mount for RAF Lossiemouth future
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Old 21st Oct 2010, 19:12
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Lossie Next:

Hopefully.



There is no better sight than RAF Lossiemouth receding in the rear view mirror
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Old 21st Oct 2010, 19:14
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Makes an awful lot of sense to close it.
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Old 21st Oct 2010, 19:32
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Thumbs up Big Up Lossie

Makes an awful lot of sense to close it.
Why? Isn't it usually BLU/BLU when the rest of the living world is YLO/YLO or worse! Goes for its local area low flying too!

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Old 21st Oct 2010, 19:48
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Lossie will no doubt close.
Way too many GOOD reasons to keep it open in terms of location, weather, low flying on the door step etc.
Oh well it dosent have St Andrews on the door step, and its too far for our Airships to want to come visit!
Yep, doomed
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Why? Isn't it usually BLU/BLU when the rest of the living world is YLO/YLO or worse! Goes for its local area low flying too!

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Having spent some time there you are still not selling it to me
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Way too many GOOD reasons to keep it open in terms of location, weather, low flying on the door step
Not to mention our most Northern location in 'strategic' terms, and a significant political 'softener', twixt Whitehall and Edinburgh.
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Old 21st Oct 2010, 21:45
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With Kinloss down I suspect there will be a tactical pause before any decision on Lossie or the Jocks will revolt.

Anyhow surely the best plan is to keep it with Bornado GR4 until about 2016 when that fleet will almost certainly draw-down somewhat. Then Lossie could go on C&M and be developed for the JSF (aka Dave) with the remaining Bornadoes at Marham until that closes circa 2022.

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Old 21st Oct 2010, 22:27
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I thought it was staying open as the JSF/JCA base due to extreme noise levels? Can't see her Majesty allowing them noisy wretched things disturbing the peace at Sandringham?? (ie Marham basing is out).
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Old 21st Oct 2010, 22:39
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Why? Isn't it usually BLU/BLU when the rest of the living world is YLO/YLO or worse! Goes for its local area low flying too!

Foldie



Yes it is BLU a lot but that doesn't account for the days when howling winds terminate flying! Or when ice closes the whole area for a couple of weeks! Plus low flying is a little bit "Cold War", to use the modern vernacular. The logistic chain from the maintenance hub at Marham has a measurable effect on output. And finally, Lossie is a long way from the Army "customer" which makes the whole ALI thing a lot more difficult.

However the decision is not going to be straightforward for the political reasons already outlined above...
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Old 21st Oct 2010, 22:40
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I'd a notion that I read somewhere that the furore over Lightning II's noise levels was all hot air.
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Old 21st Oct 2010, 22:57
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Army.

I've got a feeling that Kinloss and Lossi will become Pongo land within a few years. That will help the local economy. They may even keep Lossi's flying status for exercises etc. It may be handy when we withdraw from Germany. Oh well, what do I know, I'm only a civvy....
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They may even keep Lossie's flying status for exercises etc
Unfortunately the Army have a penchant for using runways as vehicle parking or ready-made foundations for barrack blocks: take a look at Catterick next time you're on the A1!

However, I agree that Morayshire could easily become squaddie-land. I offer you the following smilies to represent the reactions of the locals:

Neds
Planespotters
Findhorn yachties / Moray golfers
Buckie fishwives

And maybe even Gordonstoun might wish the RAF would come back!
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Old 21st Oct 2010, 23:14
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I was under the impression the main noise concerns were during viffviffnozznozz.... Surely not an issue now?
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F-35 Noise Levels

F-35 noise levels are a big issue over here in the USA with some communities taking legal action over a perceived threat to property values. Seemingly not everyone enjoys "the sound of freedom" ! The link, relating to a campaign opposing the basing of Air National Guard F-35s at Tucson International Airport, has some test data from USAF sources.

Noise Levels if the F-35 Comes to Tucson International Airport
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Old 21st Oct 2010, 23:18
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I've got a feeling that Kinloss and Lossi will become Pongo land within a few years.
Are the Scottish constabulary prepared for this.
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the Jocks will revolt.
Some would say the Jocks are already revolting
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Old 21st Oct 2010, 23:58
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Are the Scottish constabulary prepared for this
...No but Johannas will be a little more 'entertaining'
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All the attendees of the Wednesday night "Grab a granny" will be pleased....
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Old 22nd Oct 2010, 07:55
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Which Base is Big Enough

Indications are that 6 sqns will remain, is either Lossie or Marham big enough to host that number of sqns?
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