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Old 27th Oct 2010, 17:44
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Oversimplistic devil's advocate time:

Best all round solution?

Bin a Puma squadron.

Shift the bods around to Odious and the other Puma Sqn!

Stand the old Puma Sqn up as a new Wokka sqn.

Dump a Naval Sqn of Junglies in the vacated space at Benson and let them squat on the Mk3s!
(This should help the CHF eek out the SK a bit longer, too.)

Finally: Cross fingers and hope someone finds a few mil down the back of the sofa and buys more Merlins for the Junglies at some future point!




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Old 27th Oct 2010, 17:46
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From the 'Think Tank' article at the top pf the page:

Whereas the RN remain open-minded to services, RAF and RN,
Well, that's a turn around from a few months back then!!
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Old 27th Oct 2010, 17:48
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It would make perfect sense to close yeovilton and move the Wildcat to cornwall..... Closer to the sea would save a fortune in transit costs... I've a spare house down here if anyone needs some accomm
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Old 27th Oct 2010, 19:14
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roulements

Unchecked/not checked/never checked

Correct. The RAF are reporting that their theatre roulement schedules are 1:5, which is one period in theatre, followed by 4 periods not in theatre (this clearly includes PDT and any other exercises etc that go on).

CHF has been, since its inception into Afghanistan, either reporting 1:4, or in many cases 1:3. That is one on in theatre, followed by three off, or (especially for engineers), one in theatre, two off. This has been our enduring commitment, and it continues to be.

Therefore you will understand why I have a bee in my bonnet when RAF types claim that they are working as hard as their Junglie colleagues, and that they are more productive. We are on a busier roulement schedule, as well as carrying out PDT/MRX/FTX/CFX and any other exercise that comes along. Like Ex Auriga which the RAF clearly haven't heard of as they didn't show up.

Any one in the RAF heard of Ex Cougar?

UNCHECKED

As for value for money from CHF, I don't think the SK4 lifting 5 troops and a bag of mail in the Helmand heat qualifies.

Has anyone answered how much a Merlin carries in the Helmand heat? Answer - Maybe 6-8 troops, and probably not the bag of mail. Que difference?

I quote from an ex RAF JHF(A) CO - The SK det operate with the most capable personnel with the least capable airframe.

End of.
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Old 27th Oct 2010, 19:26
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Originally Posted by Torque limited

I quote from an ex RAF JHF(A) CO - The SK det operate with the most capable personnel with the least capable airframe.

End of.
Perhaps he was making two separate statements. One being about who they work alongside??

Just a thought!
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Old 27th Oct 2010, 20:55
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Unchecked,

Please click on the links to the SDSR factsheets in Just This Once's post #107 on page 6 and all will become clear.

I did and it is not at all clear....according to the fact sheets both the Army and RAF are claiming ownership of SH - if anyone is right it is the Army factsheet as they own JHC who own SH.
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Old 28th Oct 2010, 19:01
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SDSR - JHC Narrative. CHF will get Merlin...

SDSR - JHC Narrative (an open source doc) states categorically:

The review has endorsed the Rotary Wing Strategy (RWS) as the most cost-effective and efficient method to transition to a future force structure which is based, ultimately, upon four core platforms across Defence: Chinook, Merlin, Apache and Wildcat, with Puma as a critical enabling capability until 2025.

and

Merlin Mk4. Ship optimisation within the Merlin Life Sustainment Programme (LSP) and transfer to the Commando Helicopter Force to enable the delivery of the LitM Air Assault package.

So no change to plan then.....
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Old 28th Oct 2010, 19:35
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Merlin Mk4??

That should keep the RAF quiet for a while. Until they find something very tenuous to come back with at least.
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Old 28th Oct 2010, 20:44
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Unfortunately I don't think the JHC Narrative (I've only read the excerpts above at the moment) provide a definitive answer any more than CAS or CinC Air's statements and briefings. Indeed it is what I would expect from both a currently dark blue led JHC and an RAF who are being presented with a significantly different RWS to that they had accepted last year. At the moment there is obviously disagreement / infighting / negotiation going on that none of us will be privy to, probably meaning a long period of uncertainty for those involved and, even worse, the possibility of bickering on this thread going on for another six months...
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Old 29th Oct 2010, 06:28
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Well said RTM. We have a 4* HQ pronouncing one future and a 2*HQ saying something different. The sooner the head-sheds are locked in a room until they make a decision the better for all concerned. The current situation undermines the credibility of both organisations.
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Old 29th Oct 2010, 08:17
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But what prats we are beginning to look....

...
French fighter jets could be stationed on Britain's new aircraft carrier as the two nations' navies become "interdependent," the French defence minister has said.
..er sorry but due to decisions by the then CDS (RAF), CAS (RAF) and PM (fooled) we will not be able to accept your jets until about 2025 at the earliest(if then), as the capability was debunked in 2010.
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Old 29th Oct 2010, 17:28
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The Fleet Air Arm is sadly now on its knees. With the Harrier gone, Sea Kings going and not to be replaced... CHF to close in 2016.... AEW gone..... SAR gone.... That just leaves Merlin Mk 2 and Wildcat. Prestwick will close in 2016...Wildcat will be moved to Culdrose in 2018 to fill in all the spare space left by the Sea King fleet and Yeovilton will close in 2019. Leaving the FAA museum a sad legacy of what once was....
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Old 29th Oct 2010, 17:43
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The Fleet Air Arm is sadly now on its knees.
I'm very glad Ms Artist went to uni rather than trying for the FAA straight from sixth-form. Perhaps by 2013 the FAA will be recruiting?
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Old 29th Oct 2010, 17:56
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Maybe it will but I'm led to believe that it may be later than that..... Sources close to the man who knows suggest it may be spring 2014 before the gates open again....
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Old 29th Oct 2010, 18:05
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it may be spring 2014 before the gates open again.
Is that to say that they are already firmly shut until then?
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Old 29th Oct 2010, 20:35
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FAA is recruiting now. Indeed, the Jan intake will be made up primarily of Engineers and WAFUs.
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Old 29th Oct 2010, 21:13
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That'll be a lot of disappointed WAFUs then
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 12:20
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Because the one, maybe 2, who had realistic fast jet ambitions will now in all likelihood qualify on the F18 with the USN instead of GR9 and JFH?

And the rest will still be flying Wildcat or Merlin, just like they were supposed to be 2 weeks ago.

God help me, but the RN doesn't consist solely of the FAA.....
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 14:21
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God help me, but the RN doesn't consist solely of the FAA.....

Yes it does...The fishheads are merely there to drive the flightdeck around.... Without WAFUs there is no need for any fishheads....
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 16:52
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Wildcat HMA is still at least 4 years away for the ab-initios.
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