SDSR - Redundancy Package?
Well, according to the DIN on the subject the redundancy scheme will be running in 2014 to release folks in 2015. Ties in nicely with the Redundancy Scheme changing in 2013 reducing payments to 3 months pay. W**kers. 
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Fairness
Well the government bangs on about being Fair, How come they have changed the military terms of redundancy but not those for the civil servants? Maybe because their union challenged changes to their package and won. I wonder if an individual who was made redundant in the military would have a case in court?
My wife worked for the Civil Service and I'm pretty sure they changed their T&C's last year too. Interestingly under the last government. Our thoughts at the time were 'here come the redundancies' - She left of her own free will anyway - too much work too few staff. Too many managers.
As for the cuts, having been there in the 90's, there were no shortage of takers, the difficulty now is that there are no jobs. Or very few, and those that are there have the pick of the field - listing transferable skills on a CV in today's job market just doesn't cut it. I've been applying for jobs now for over a year and haven't had a single interview. Prior to 2005 my application to interview ratio wasn't far off 100%. Tough times.
Best of luck to those making the break, but not too sure that my exit strategy of voluntary first tranche is the right one in this market.
EDIT: No the changes were fought off. Wife say's - A lot of them deserve the axe, many of the long termers did bugger all, and wouldn't leave of their own accord because of the pension rights, and the management wouldn't deal with them. New starters from private roles tended to have the work shoved onto them because they weren't tooled up mentally for that environment.
As for the cuts, having been there in the 90's, there were no shortage of takers, the difficulty now is that there are no jobs. Or very few, and those that are there have the pick of the field - listing transferable skills on a CV in today's job market just doesn't cut it. I've been applying for jobs now for over a year and haven't had a single interview. Prior to 2005 my application to interview ratio wasn't far off 100%. Tough times.
Best of luck to those making the break, but not too sure that my exit strategy of voluntary first tranche is the right one in this market.
EDIT: No the changes were fought off. Wife say's - A lot of them deserve the axe, many of the long termers did bugger all, and wouldn't leave of their own accord because of the pension rights, and the management wouldn't deal with them. New starters from private roles tended to have the work shoved onto them because they weren't tooled up mentally for that environment.
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I haven’t heard any banter about thinning out the Senior Officers in all of this
Proposals for civil servants (they will go through)
are 12 and 9 months respectively. Whilst the previous scheme was good, 7 years pay is stretching the story a bit. Three would be in the ball park.
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14 month voluntary scheme or 10 month compulsory scheme
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I always thought CS redundancy was one month per year served - can't remember if that was voluntary or compulsory. (Maybe voluntary?)
Otherwise, unless your AO had done 84 years .......
Otherwise, unless your AO had done 84 years .......
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I haven’t heard any banter about thinning out the Senior Officers in all of this
I believe there might be one who runs the Oil Risbridger Policy Command Centre (Used to be run by a Cpl; but now run by an AVM). This loss is due to the fact that the RAF now only needs 3 oil risbridgers to maintain its fleet of aircraft and the post is being down graded to a Wg Cdr. "This also saves money" a spokesman for the RAF was heard to say.
I haven’t heard any banter about thinning out the Senior Officers in all of this
I believe there might be one who runs the Oil Risbridger Policy Command Centre (Used to be run by a Cpl; but now run by an AVM). This loss is due to the fact that the RAF now only needs 3 oil risbridgers to maintain its fleet of aircraft and the post is being down graded to a Wg Cdr. "This also saves money" a spokesman for the RAF was heard to say.
WTF? Have you been drinking from that Risbridger again?
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Redundancy
Chaps, details of the scheme are already available via the MOD web page - and presumably on the individual services web pages. There are two schemes - one for those who remained on AFPS 75, and one for those that transferred to the new scheme. I have only looked (briefly) at the 75 scheme - and even them only at the details for those coming to the end of their service, and it goes something like this: more than one year left, but less than 2 = 3 months salary (tax free) + 1/12 of 3 months salary for each additional month: 2 to 3 years = 6 months salary and more than 3 years = 9 months salary (plus 1/12 etc). Pretty sure these details are correct but to confirm them I would need to log onto JPA again tomorrow and, to be quite honest, I have lost the will to live where that particular piece of (**)IT is concerned. Hope this helps. CB
When talking about 'years left' do you mean to end of current engagement eg 38 for a flt lt and 55 for a sqn ldr? Does time to option point make any difference? Do 44 points still exist?
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Have they published the brackets? Like ranks, trades and branches, ages etc?
Get real - that will be weeks away. RAF Manning only started working on it on Tuesday....
Then months of agonising waiting and then the wait for the exit date to arrive in 2014.
Up to 6 months, and that is weeks (26 of them!).
As for redundancy, once again talk is of 3 tranches (I hate that word) with 6 months notice to volunteers, 12 months for compulsaries. Given that the numbers have to be achieved by 2015 (April? It usually is.), working backwards tranche 3 can't be later than 2014 (given the 12 months time lag), with the first 2 tranches somewhen between mid 2011 and 2014......
As for redundancy, once again talk is of 3 tranches (I hate that word) with 6 months notice to volunteers, 12 months for compulsaries. Given that the numbers have to be achieved by 2015 (April? It usually is.), working backwards tranche 3 can't be later than 2014 (given the 12 months time lag), with the first 2 tranches somewhen between mid 2011 and 2014......
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Biggus, apologies. Having been through 2 or 3 previous culls I forgot the length of the uncertainty although I recall from a day ago the mention of 150 sqn ldrs.
I was at Finningley when we had the peace dividend cull and the heads down, corridor muttering while they worke dout how to restructure a training system based on 10-12 studes per month when we had to lose even more personnel from 89k to 57k.
I was at Finningley when we had the peace dividend cull and the heads down, corridor muttering while they worke dout how to restructure a training system based on 10-12 studes per month when we had to lose even more personnel from 89k to 57k.
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Facts
On some threads I have seen some real rubbish stated. First I recommend anyone who wants to know facts speaks to someone authorised - a professional pension authority perhaps? For what it is worth:
On AFPS 75, over 3 years to serve - 9 mths pay: 2 to 3 years 6 mths and 1 to 2 years 3 mths. Less than a year is 1/12 of 3 mths pay for every month remaining.
The 6 mth pay limit is only for those who have a FULL pension entitlement - that is someone who has extended in the Service say now 56 and had a 5 year extension. So instead of getting 9 mths as he has 4 years remaining will only get a max of 6 mth pay. Watch as from 1 Apr 2013 ALL will get a max of 3 mths pay!!
Finally, the Civil Service 2010 Redundancy Pay is already out this year. There will not be another. They get 9 mths if forced out, and wait for it, 21 mths if you volunteer. Not sure if that is tax free or not.
On AFPS 75, over 3 years to serve - 9 mths pay: 2 to 3 years 6 mths and 1 to 2 years 3 mths. Less than a year is 1/12 of 3 mths pay for every month remaining.
The 6 mth pay limit is only for those who have a FULL pension entitlement - that is someone who has extended in the Service say now 56 and had a 5 year extension. So instead of getting 9 mths as he has 4 years remaining will only get a max of 6 mth pay. Watch as from 1 Apr 2013 ALL will get a max of 3 mths pay!!
Finally, the Civil Service 2010 Redundancy Pay is already out this year. There will not be another. They get 9 mths if forced out, and wait for it, 21 mths if you volunteer. Not sure if that is tax free or not.
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Desk officers will be focussing on the Sick, Lame, Lazy and Incompetent when making the recommendations for natural wastage and compulsory redundancy. Med boards will be cut and dried, the thing that is reassuring is that the reverse prom boards should get rid of the dross
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DIN from the mod website:
http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/33B5F...Provisions.pdf
Wonder whether the payments take flying pay into account.....
http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/33B5F...Provisions.pdf
Wonder whether the payments take flying pay into account.....
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Originally Posted by Solent Trout
Wonder whether the payments take flying pay into account.....