Bye Bye CEA.
Splitting hairs a bit there Trim.
CEA is needed to help provide a stable education - the instabilities are caused by the exigencies (meaning "urgent need or demands"
) of the service.
But don't worry - it won't affect you as you won't be eligible as a FO (or capt) reservist on FSTA
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) of the service.But don't worry - it won't affect you as you won't be eligible as a FO (or capt) reservist on FSTA
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So you'd only be entitled to more than £1075 if OOA or on a hardship posting? Not just for moving around regularly which is what CEA is designed for, to give your kids stability in education?
So unless someone is OOA or on a hardship posting, they will have to find £5603 per term per child to give their children stability? For the average 2 child family, £33618 per year out of net salary. Won't be much of a take-up on that, which means that alot of children would be changing schools every 2 to 3 years with all the negative effects that entails.
And why OOA? You leave your family behind & serve unaccompanied. CEA is meant to ensure you move with your spouse without affecting your kid's schooling.
t seems to me that a fair system of compensation would be for the MOD to contribute £1,075 per child per term for parents who opt to send their children to a school in which the child is capable of boarding (to compensate for the higher costs of attending such a school), and up to an additional £2,640 (abated by the cost of feeding a child at home) for each term that the child actually boards, but only when the service person is assigned to specified out of area or designated hardship postings, and therefore cannot provide the pastoral care for their child for genuine service reasons, and not because of lifestyle choices.
Average fees for boarding at those schools is £6,678 a term.
And why OOA? You leave your family behind & serve unaccompanied. CEA is meant to ensure you move with your spouse without affecting your kid's schooling.
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If you think this is bad. I am deployed next week for 2 weeks travelling CivAir. I can use my own car to get to the airport as there is no MT available but I am not authorised to use Airport Parking! WTF!!
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CEA is quite probably one of the most abused allowances out there and is invariably used to simply send ones offspring somewhere where there are no oiks.
I would bet a tidy sum of money that there are plenty of folk at both of the two RAF AT bases who are or have claimed this knowing that what they are doing is nothing short of fraud.
A thorough investigation into the whole thing would seem to be the order of the day and send some hefty bills to the thieving pikeys who have been ripping the tax payer off for all these years
I would bet a tidy sum of money that there are plenty of folk at both of the two RAF AT bases who are or have claimed this knowing that what they are doing is nothing short of fraud.
A thorough investigation into the whole thing would seem to be the order of the day and send some hefty bills to the thieving pikeys who have been ripping the tax payer off for all these years
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I would bet a tidy sum of money that there are plenty of folk at both of the two RAF AT bases who are or have claimed this knowing that what they are doing is nothing short of fraud
Each claimaint has to have an eligibility certificate signed by their desk officer stating that they may have to undertake a move greater than 50 miles in the next three years.
So why single out AT bases - a tour is 2 to 2.5 years so in theory every one may move at the end of tour point.
Many people I know at the AT bases have moved 3 times in 9 years, just because they move and then return doesn't mean the are swinging the lead
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Unless some green-eyed scribbly, or brown-nosed Staff Officer has changed things, it used to be clearly stated in Queen's Regulations that Flying Pay was not to compensate for the rigours and dangers of flying, but was there to attract people of the right calibre into the flying branches of HM Forces. It was thus equally relevant to those on ground tours.
Unless some green-eyed scribbly, or brown-nosed Staff Officer has changed things, it used to be clearly stated in Queen's Regulations that Flying Pay was not to compensate for the rigours and dangers of flying, but was there to attract people of the right calibre into the flying branches of HM Forces. It was thus equally relevant to those on ground tours.
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Why the RAF AT bases and not any others????
Each claimaint has to have an eligibility certificate signed by their desk officer stating that they may have to undertake a move greater than 50 miles in the next three years.
So why single out AT bases - a tour is 2 to 2.5 years so in theory every one may move at the end of tour point.
Many people I know at the AT bases have moved 3 times in 9 years, just because they move and then return doesn't mean the are swinging the lead
Each claimaint has to have an eligibility certificate signed by their desk officer stating that they may have to undertake a move greater than 50 miles in the next three years.
So why single out AT bases - a tour is 2 to 2.5 years so in theory every one may move at the end of tour point.
Many people I know at the AT bases have moved 3 times in 9 years, just because they move and then return doesn't mean the are swinging the lead
If the only criteria is a note from your deskie to say you might move is it any wonder that some folk accros the whole of the 3 services have ripped the crap out of this system
Splitting hairs a bit there Trim.
CEA is needed to help provide a stable education - the instabilities are caused by the exigencies (meaning "urgent need or demands"
) of the service.
But don't worry - it won't affect you as you won't be eligible as a FO (or capt) reservist on FSTA
CEA is needed to help provide a stable education - the instabilities are caused by the exigencies (meaning "urgent need or demands"
) of the service.But don't worry - it won't affect you as you won't be eligible as a FO (or capt) reservist on FSTA
How did you find out I have an offer with AT?
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Let's play devil's advocate for a minute:
Let's hypothesise that a chap (serving), and a woman (civ) are parents to little Johnny and live on the patch at RAF Little Snoring.
Little Johnny reaches secondary school age, he goes to the local comp and starts preparing for GCSEs.
The chap is posted to Vegas, in order to play MS Flightsim 2010 in a portacabin for 14 hours a day, and watch strippers by night, and he naturally wants his family to come with him.
They both have choices:
1. Take the whole brood out there - Johnny's exam results may take a hit in a US private school, but they are happy enough as a family.
2. Chap goes it alone and misses his family for 2 years while the wife brings little Johnny up at a crucial school age in stable surroundings in the UK. She may find it impractical to work full-time, but that's her choice to do so or not.
3. Wife can't hack being without hubby and wants a piece of the Vegas action, packs Johnny off to a decent minor private boarding school, which they can just about afford with chap's LOA.
QED, Is there any essential requirement for a public-funded private boarding school place in the UK?
(BTW, I have a wife and 2 young kids, so I do not think I am totally out of touch!)
PPS - Replace chap (serving) with diplomat, MP, or any other public-funded post and the point stands!
Let's hypothesise that a chap (serving), and a woman (civ) are parents to little Johnny and live on the patch at RAF Little Snoring.
Little Johnny reaches secondary school age, he goes to the local comp and starts preparing for GCSEs.
The chap is posted to Vegas, in order to play MS Flightsim 2010 in a portacabin for 14 hours a day, and watch strippers by night, and he naturally wants his family to come with him.
They both have choices:
1. Take the whole brood out there - Johnny's exam results may take a hit in a US private school, but they are happy enough as a family.
2. Chap goes it alone and misses his family for 2 years while the wife brings little Johnny up at a crucial school age in stable surroundings in the UK. She may find it impractical to work full-time, but that's her choice to do so or not.
3. Wife can't hack being without hubby and wants a piece of the Vegas action, packs Johnny off to a decent minor private boarding school, which they can just about afford with chap's LOA.
QED, Is there any essential requirement for a public-funded private boarding school place in the UK?
(BTW, I have a wife and 2 young kids, so I do not think I am totally out of touch!)
PPS - Replace chap (serving) with diplomat, MP, or any other public-funded post and the point stands!
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just about afford with chap's LOA
LOA is not there for that purpose. If you've been in the above situation (which it sounds like you have) you'll know that said chap will need to purchase a car on arrival, take a hit with things such as car insurance premiums and be forced to pay hand over fist for deposits due to lack of credit history. Sure, he can take an advance, but it'll take about a year or so to "break even" in my experience (
).Don't get me wrong, I'm not a CEA advocate, but apportioning LOA in place of CEA is a slippery slope.
Unless you want to up LOA for everyone, in which case I'm happy as my kids aren't school age !!
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I don't see what point you are trying to make - is it that the LOA enables the couple to afford boarding school back in the UK? Surely the LOA is there to provide for the costs of living abroad? (edited to add that that point has just been made).
You will only be in touch when your kids are on their fourth school in 5 years, are repeatedly treated as second class because they are 'temporary', go for a whole year and learn nothing (or even study Twelfth Night one year only to move to a new school and study Twelfth Night again). It's not just about education either, the social elements of a common group of friends is almost as important; I remember no 2 son at the age of 9 saying he was fed-up of having to make new friends every 5 minutes.
Two of my 3 children are at boarding school, the other at Uni now, but I reckon the true costs to us are about £1000 per child per term, albeit some of those costs are self induced by seeing them more often than the policy lunatics suggest is necessary. I have moved significant distances 11 times in 21 years, so I believe it's justified in my case, but I do think there are some who have kicked the arse out of it.
That said, there is a big difference between those who genuinely believe they will have to move and are commited to mobility (but end up not moving), and those who play the system, have roles and/or ranks that mean they really will not move for years at a time and simply use the CEA to get a better quality of education for their kids.
Having just gone through the CEA Certification Process (for the second time in 8 months), I can confirm that the rules are being tightened significantly. If JPA shows your First, Second and Third choices of area as A_Portsmouth and your choice of areas specifically to be avoided as A_The Rest of the UK, I think you may be on a sticky wicket.
What I haven't worked out though is at what point the failure to get CEA certified hits - does the child finish phase of education, or is your next application simply rejected? In the latter case, the failure to give a month's notice could leave me liable personally for about £15K !
STH
Edited Again to Add: By the way, how many people get away with not moving FQs on posting because their kids are approaching GCSEs, A-Levels or whatever and so block an FQ meaning someone has to go on SSFA? For a sqn ldr in teh London area, for example, the SSFA acceptable costs must be close to £2k per mth (they were £1.8k about 10 years ago!). That's far more than CEA for the same basic effect.
(BTW, I have a wife and 2 young kids, so I do not think I am totally out of touch!)
You will only be in touch when your kids are on their fourth school in 5 years, are repeatedly treated as second class because they are 'temporary', go for a whole year and learn nothing (or even study Twelfth Night one year only to move to a new school and study Twelfth Night again). It's not just about education either, the social elements of a common group of friends is almost as important; I remember no 2 son at the age of 9 saying he was fed-up of having to make new friends every 5 minutes.
Two of my 3 children are at boarding school, the other at Uni now, but I reckon the true costs to us are about £1000 per child per term, albeit some of those costs are self induced by seeing them more often than the policy lunatics suggest is necessary. I have moved significant distances 11 times in 21 years, so I believe it's justified in my case, but I do think there are some who have kicked the arse out of it.
That said, there is a big difference between those who genuinely believe they will have to move and are commited to mobility (but end up not moving), and those who play the system, have roles and/or ranks that mean they really will not move for years at a time and simply use the CEA to get a better quality of education for their kids.
Having just gone through the CEA Certification Process (for the second time in 8 months), I can confirm that the rules are being tightened significantly. If JPA shows your First, Second and Third choices of area as A_Portsmouth and your choice of areas specifically to be avoided as A_The Rest of the UK, I think you may be on a sticky wicket.
What I haven't worked out though is at what point the failure to get CEA certified hits - does the child finish phase of education, or is your next application simply rejected? In the latter case, the failure to give a month's notice could leave me liable personally for about £15K !
STH
Edited Again to Add: By the way, how many people get away with not moving FQs on posting because their kids are approaching GCSEs, A-Levels or whatever and so block an FQ meaning someone has to go on SSFA? For a sqn ldr in teh London area, for example, the SSFA acceptable costs must be close to £2k per mth (they were £1.8k about 10 years ago!). That's far more than CEA for the same basic effect.
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As someone that attempted to keep his family together and quite happily serve HM the Queen loyally and without question, I embarked on an education philosophy of moving my first son with us every 2-3 years.
Until that was we were made aware of his dyslexia that an independent specialist put down to the number of moves and subtly different curriculums that my son was forced to undertake because of my loyalty and willingness to move where I was told to serve.
He never recovered from this and sadly had some very weak exam results and is currently finding it extremely difficult to find employment in the current environment. He has also very few friends through having to uproot every 2-3 years and attempt to establish a new social set.
Having learned this lesson my second son, 5 years younger is currently coming to the end of his private education and fingers crossed will get the University of choice and has every aspiration to become officer aircrew. Whilst I have continued to be 'mobile' he has genuinely had continuity of education and is happier and more socially balanced than my other son.
It may be that my first son is as thick as mince and one of life's losers, equally I may be a bad dad in not recognising that I should have said no to the desk officer that was requiring my specialisation both overseas and in different parts of the UK.
Whatever my own particular guilt trip, HMG cannot have it all, a competiitive work force that is mobile in the interests of the service, or a work force that gets to family bearing age and either leaves or elects to be 'home based' to ensure that children have a stable upbringing (is there anymore important mission in life than your own family?).
Naturally there will be those career thrusters that will be both mobile and happily cart their family around (or leave them unaccompanied), but personally that kind of individual that does that on a permanent basis in the full knowledge of what he/she is doing to their family is not the kind of person that I want leading me or on my team.
In a nutshell, (and I am not bitter) the instability of service life has significantly reduced the education and subsequent opportunities available to one of my sons. Conversely I genuinely believe that being able to claim CEA has had the inverse affect on my other son
Unless there is some master plan afoot to ensure that service children do not suffer from their parents being forced to move every 2-3 years, then my advice to any young serving mum/dad would be to sacrifice any aspirations of a career and elect for a permanent position at your home station where your family can be given stability and continuity of education.
If your desk officer is actually looking at using the whole pensions, CEA and fallout from SDSR as a nudge for voluntary out flow (i.e. PVR) then do not jeopardise your once in a lifetime opportunity to raise and educate your family properly.
Quite simply leave, and HM Forces will soon realise that some extremely high calibre individuals (of all 3 services) will be opting for the Private Sector, and if not immediately, then as soon as the effects of the recession reduce and the Private Sector improves, then those Civil Serpents that made these decisions will look back on one of the greatest faux pas in history as from an HR perspective some of the most talented and gifted military personnel that were previously willing to sacrifice a lot (except for their family stability and education) leave or severely limit their 'reach' by electing to stay in one place.
This is all so very sad, but also makes the JPA button so very easy for so many - if not now, as soon as the Private Sector picks up and starts to offer its big bonuses and Ts&Cs come again (and yes I have been here before).
Until that was we were made aware of his dyslexia that an independent specialist put down to the number of moves and subtly different curriculums that my son was forced to undertake because of my loyalty and willingness to move where I was told to serve.
He never recovered from this and sadly had some very weak exam results and is currently finding it extremely difficult to find employment in the current environment. He has also very few friends through having to uproot every 2-3 years and attempt to establish a new social set.
Having learned this lesson my second son, 5 years younger is currently coming to the end of his private education and fingers crossed will get the University of choice and has every aspiration to become officer aircrew. Whilst I have continued to be 'mobile' he has genuinely had continuity of education and is happier and more socially balanced than my other son.
It may be that my first son is as thick as mince and one of life's losers, equally I may be a bad dad in not recognising that I should have said no to the desk officer that was requiring my specialisation both overseas and in different parts of the UK.
Whatever my own particular guilt trip, HMG cannot have it all, a competiitive work force that is mobile in the interests of the service, or a work force that gets to family bearing age and either leaves or elects to be 'home based' to ensure that children have a stable upbringing (is there anymore important mission in life than your own family?).
Naturally there will be those career thrusters that will be both mobile and happily cart their family around (or leave them unaccompanied), but personally that kind of individual that does that on a permanent basis in the full knowledge of what he/she is doing to their family is not the kind of person that I want leading me or on my team.
In a nutshell, (and I am not bitter) the instability of service life has significantly reduced the education and subsequent opportunities available to one of my sons. Conversely I genuinely believe that being able to claim CEA has had the inverse affect on my other son
Unless there is some master plan afoot to ensure that service children do not suffer from their parents being forced to move every 2-3 years, then my advice to any young serving mum/dad would be to sacrifice any aspirations of a career and elect for a permanent position at your home station where your family can be given stability and continuity of education.
If your desk officer is actually looking at using the whole pensions, CEA and fallout from SDSR as a nudge for voluntary out flow (i.e. PVR) then do not jeopardise your once in a lifetime opportunity to raise and educate your family properly.
Quite simply leave, and HM Forces will soon realise that some extremely high calibre individuals (of all 3 services) will be opting for the Private Sector, and if not immediately, then as soon as the effects of the recession reduce and the Private Sector improves, then those Civil Serpents that made these decisions will look back on one of the greatest faux pas in history as from an HR perspective some of the most talented and gifted military personnel that were previously willing to sacrifice a lot (except for their family stability and education) leave or severely limit their 'reach' by electing to stay in one place.
This is all so very sad, but also makes the JPA button so very easy for so many - if not now, as soon as the Private Sector picks up and starts to offer its big bonuses and Ts&Cs come again (and yes I have been here before).
I've seen a whole lot of horse cr@p on the cost of CEA in the previous posts when the maths (or math for our colonial cousins) doesn't stack up...
6,000 service children in CEA scheme at maximum £5833 per term = £105M per year
HOWEVER, not everyone is on maximum of £5833...
Some are on CEA(Board) Junior at £4482, CEA(Day) Junior at £2640 and CEA (Day) Senior at £3505 per term.
So if we take an average at £4000 per term for the whole CEA scheme then 6,000 service children costs £72M, which is just 533 Typhoon sorties at full cost (approx £90k per hour - DASA figures) just to put the CEA figure into perspective. 533 Typhoon sorties is about the average number of sorties in 3 months for training on a single Typhoon Squadron (assuming 8 sorties per day). I think this puts this into perspective nicely.
A lot different to some of the figures I've seen quoted on this thread!!!
Also, don't forget that there is a £4330 per term allowance within the CEA scheme for those posted to Wales who don't want their children to learn a language that is largely useless unless you visit a small area in Patagonia (and Wales, which isn't much bigger!). It's called CEA(NW) - Day School North Wales. If we bin that then there will be serious retention problem and getting people to accept posts at Valley.
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6,000 service children in CEA scheme at maximum £5833 per term = £105M per year
HOWEVER, not everyone is on maximum of £5833...
Some are on CEA(Board) Junior at £4482, CEA(Day) Junior at £2640 and CEA (Day) Senior at £3505 per term.
So if we take an average at £4000 per term for the whole CEA scheme then 6,000 service children costs £72M, which is just 533 Typhoon sorties at full cost (approx £90k per hour - DASA figures) just to put the CEA figure into perspective. 533 Typhoon sorties is about the average number of sorties in 3 months for training on a single Typhoon Squadron (assuming 8 sorties per day). I think this puts this into perspective nicely.
A lot different to some of the figures I've seen quoted on this thread!!!
Also, don't forget that there is a £4330 per term allowance within the CEA scheme for those posted to Wales who don't want their children to learn a language that is largely useless unless you visit a small area in Patagonia (and Wales, which isn't much bigger!). It's called CEA(NW) - Day School North Wales. If we bin that then there will be serious retention problem and getting people to accept posts at Valley.
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....and when they subsequently stipulate that what overseas postings we have left will not be for people who want their children to accompany them i.e.MOD will not pay school fees for international schools etc - what then?
Good points made all round. I suppose the point I was getting at was that there are lifestyle and career choices you can make without claiming public money for boarding school!
I am not the man in the example I describe above. The family Risky has been settled in SE England (1066 country) for the last 4 years, and the quality of life is excellent...for them.
I on the other hand have been taking the pain by commuting back and forth between the deepest darkest Fens/Buckinghamshire on a Friday evening/Sunday morning. I don't want my kids to board, I pay council tax - I want to use the excellent local CofE schools. I want the stability for them gained by growing up at home, with their mum and the associated circle of friends/relatives.
So I have made a choice which many claiming CEA could conceivably make too...it's hard, but it does mean that I am not a slave to staying in past 38 just for the CEA...and won't be screwed by any loss of it. I'm not saying CEA is wrong, but as parents there are other choices we can make...
(Sorry if my example was inaccurate ref LOA, it was only meant to be a quick and dirty example based on my colleagues who do that job.)
I am not the man in the example I describe above. The family Risky has been settled in SE England (1066 country) for the last 4 years, and the quality of life is excellent...for them.
I on the other hand have been taking the pain by commuting back and forth between the deepest darkest Fens/Buckinghamshire on a Friday evening/Sunday morning. I don't want my kids to board, I pay council tax - I want to use the excellent local CofE schools. I want the stability for them gained by growing up at home, with their mum and the associated circle of friends/relatives.
So I have made a choice which many claiming CEA could conceivably make too...it's hard, but it does mean that I am not a slave to staying in past 38 just for the CEA...and won't be screwed by any loss of it. I'm not saying CEA is wrong, but as parents there are other choices we can make...
(Sorry if my example was inaccurate ref LOA, it was only meant to be a quick and dirty example based on my colleagues who do that job.)
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There are obviously two (at least) different sorts of claimants:
Those who spend decades at one base - ISK, Waddo, Lyneham, etc and use CEA as an expensive perk to put their kids through public school, and
Those who move around every three years or so, including overseas, who need the allowance to give their children a half-decent start in life.
So, target the allowance at those who need it, not the money-grabbing opportunists who, whilst simultaneously criticising MP's moat-cleaning expenses, use it as a means of buying their children an education they are otherwise not prepared to cough up for themselves.
Those who spend decades at one base - ISK, Waddo, Lyneham, etc and use CEA as an expensive perk to put their kids through public school, and
Those who move around every three years or so, including overseas, who need the allowance to give their children a half-decent start in life.
So, target the allowance at those who need it, not the money-grabbing opportunists who, whilst simultaneously criticising MP's moat-cleaning expenses, use it as a means of buying their children an education they are otherwise not prepared to cough up for themselves.
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It is possible that with hindsight you can identify individuals that 'played the system' and educated their children privately at taxpayer's expense whilst remaining at the same place of duty. But, would their desk officer have been able to assure those individuals back at the start that they would have that longterm stability and so be able to send their children to a state school, safe in the knowledge that they wouldn't be required to move schools? They took CEA, having signed up to mobility, but as it transpired the service need was for them to remain at the same station.
By the time it could be identified that they were unlikely (but still with no guarantee) to be posted away, it was to late & withdrawing CEA and forcing them to move their children to a state school would only achieve what CEA was supposed to avoid in the first place. I don't believe that in most cases there was any deliberate attempt to defraud, individuals chose to secure their children's education without knowing what the future held - which is what CEA is for.
By the time it could be identified that they were unlikely (but still with no guarantee) to be posted away, it was to late & withdrawing CEA and forcing them to move their children to a state school would only achieve what CEA was supposed to avoid in the first place. I don't believe that in most cases there was any deliberate attempt to defraud, individuals chose to secure their children's education without knowing what the future held - which is what CEA is for.
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Anyone with half a brain cell and and an ounce of integrity would know what the future holds for them and would act accordingly.
I joined my unit in the late 90's safe in the knowledge that I would be here for years to come, which funnily enough I still am.
We had 2 kids about to join the Secondary school system but I didn't claim CEA because I knew that by the letter of the law I did not qualify and I am happy with the decision I made.
I have no idea how long you have been at Lye but if you have been there for years and have used the CEA system to put your kids through private education then to the my very simple mind you have knowingly and willfully committed fraud.
Anyone with half a brain cell and and an ounce of integrity would know what the future holds for them and would act accordingly.
I joined my unit in the late 90's safe in the knowledge that I would be here for years to come, which funnily enough I still am.
We had 2 kids about to join the Secondary school system but I didn't claim CEA because I knew that by the letter of the law I did not qualify and I am happy with the decision I made.
I have no idea how long you have been at Lye but if you have been there for years and have used the CEA system to put your kids through private education then to the my very simple mind you have knowingly and willfully committed fraud.
SFFP
Luckily, for you truckie mates you knew where you were going (most likely!). "Integrity and brain cells" have nothing to do with some of us though, here are my postings, in no particular order, over 20 years of service:
Leeming/Coningsby/Leuchars - 1st jet type
Waddington - 2nd jet type
High Wycombe - staff tour
Northwood - staff tour
??? - next aircraft type?
So, for those that served on more than one aircraft type, get promoted or have an HQ ground tour - what do you suggest?
Finally, there are those who have spent a significant amount of time at LYE who now, or shortly will, reside at WAD - it happens!
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Luckily, for you truckie mates you knew where you were going (most likely!). "Integrity and brain cells" have nothing to do with some of us though, here are my postings, in no particular order, over 20 years of service:
Leeming/Coningsby/Leuchars - 1st jet type
Waddington - 2nd jet type
High Wycombe - staff tour
Northwood - staff tour
??? - next aircraft type?
So, for those that served on more than one aircraft type, get promoted or have an HQ ground tour - what do you suggest?
Finally, there are those who have spent a significant amount of time at LYE who now, or shortly will, reside at WAD - it happens!
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Shall we stop talking crap? Some people know they will move frequently, and use CEA to help their children get a stable education. But, some people know they're not going anywhere soon (if ever), and use the taxpayer to fund something they're not prepared to....
Ken Scott - some people are well aware of what the future holds - they know that they don't intend to go anywhere. It doesn't stop them claiming the allowance. Whilst that may be within the letter of the law, it's certainly not within the spirit. If they want to come here and try to justify it, fine - doesn't stop them being cheats in my book.
Ken Scott - some people are well aware of what the future holds - they know that they don't intend to go anywhere. It doesn't stop them claiming the allowance. Whilst that may be within the letter of the law, it's certainly not within the spirit. If they want to come here and try to justify it, fine - doesn't stop them being cheats in my book.
Last edited by sargs; 16th Oct 2010 at 02:08.