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Old 1st Oct 2010, 15:43
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Mike Harland Inquest

Mike Harland ex GR4 Nav (RAF Marham) who died on a BAe systems flight over Norfolk 2007.

Just to let you know, the coroner finally has a date for his inquest: 18th October in Norwich over 4 days - with a jury. I shall be covering it for BBC Look East. My reports will be available via BBCiPlayer.
I am really keen to talk to anyone who can give me off/on record thoughts on how these seats work, colleagues and friends who would be prepared to pay Wolfie a tribute.
Many thanks Alex Dunlop
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Old 1st Oct 2010, 17:23
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I will be interested in seeing the Coroner's findings as well - Mike was a top chap and I was very saddened to see him go in such a tragic accident. If anyone is culpable then I hope they recieve suitable sanction from the Coroner.

As a serving officer I would not be prepared to be interviewed either on or off the record.

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You have a PM
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Alex.

Please post up links to your iplayer reports when they are released mate.

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Alex, the time table is pretty tight but you could try an FOI request on how the seat works; that would avoid Leon's answer.

You could also contact BAE and ask them. There PR man was a Mike Sweeney but he may have moved on.

There is nothing secret about an ejector seat and all you are asking for is a simple technical explanation and not a discourse on what may or may not have happened.
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Take a look at:

MARTIN

This is all about the Mk 10 as fitted to Mike's Tornado. Also here is the official Martin Baker site:

Martin Baker - Mk. 10

Good luck with your research

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More stuff here:

German Airforce Sammlernet

Finally, the SJU-5/A is the US version of the Mk 10 seat and is very similar.

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Has there been any accident or BoI report released yet? (I doubt it but.....)
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Thank you B WORD for bringing my website to wider recognition but I feel that I should point out that there are some quite fundemental differences between the Mk10 seat fitted to a Tornado and the SJU-5/A as it is shown on the pages from my site.
I wont go into those here but it is worth noting.

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Please excuse me as I have just come across this thread.

Is this the Mike Harland who started off Pilot training in 1982 at Cranwell?

If it is he, was known as 'snake' and not because he wasn't a nice guy
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jimgriff:
quite fundemental differences between the Mk10 seat fitted to a Tornado and the SJU-5/A as it is shown on the pages from my site.
How about the MB GRU-7? I only ask because of the comment posted at #45 here:

http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...ections-3.html

on 1st December 2007.
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Of course- I couldn't possibly comment on how or why could I??
I was merely pointing out that there was a difference between the seats in case anyone took what was written about the SJU-5/A as gospel for the Mk10 and drew conclusions.
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A lot of Wolfies old oppos are very, very interested to hear what the Coroner unravels on this one, let's just hope he gets to the bottom of it.

And no, apart from those who conducted the BoI and a few wheels at Marham I don't think anybody has seen anything official on the outcome of the inquiry.

Be very interesting to hear why it's taken so long and maybe how an RAF board investigates a civilian company flying our jets.
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Please remember, that it is the Coroner's and Jury's task to establish:

Who died
When he died
Where he died
and under what circumstances did he die.

The Coroner and Jury DO NOT apportion any blame, so Leon, there will be no "If anyone is culpable then I hope they recieve suitable sanction from the Coroner" I'm afraid.
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Has the police investigation finished?
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Be very interesting to hear why it's taken so long and maybe how an RAF board investigates a civilian company flying our jets.
My understanding is there was a bunfight between MoD and civilian police as to jurisdiction and responsibilities.
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Maybe just my choice of words, but how do you explain this then?

Coroner blames RAF and MoD for Hercules crash that killed 10 - Home News, UK - The Independent

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And there's more:

Coroner blames hospital for mother's caesarean death | Society | guardian.co.uk

Coroner blames Essex County Council for delaying inquests (From Chelmsford Weekly News)

Coroner blames MoD again over troops' deaths - journalisted.com

Coroner blames pilot for Puma crash - UK Wired News

...and my favourite...

Coroner blames cat in owner's death from E. coli : Worms and Germs Blog

Plenty of example of blame from Coroners - Google is (or isn't) your friend.

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I fear even the most careful application by the Coroner of the rules spelt out in Mick Strigg's post will be written up/interpreted (and in headlines) by the press in terms of who was to blame.

Indeed even ordinary folk given the answers to those four points will say "XYZ was to blame" or it was "XYZ's fault"
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