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Old 29th Sep 2010, 19:57
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Dr Liam Fox MP

Is it just me, or is Liam Fox being a bit of an arse / turncoat re his latest comments on Defence Cuts??

Stand to be corrected.

TN.
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Do you mean that, at a distance, he thought he could make big cuts. However, when he got into the detail, he discovered that it was rather more complicated than he first thought and is having a change of mind now he is more educated?
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I can only boast 6 CSE's and a few 'O' Levels.................but I think so yes! Classic example of somebody out of their depth and floundering.
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I'm only a young'un, so what do I know, but I reckon spotting a mistake before you make it and calling it out is a pretty decent step.
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I'm only a young'un, so what do I know, but I reckon spotting a mistake before you make it and calling it out is a pretty decent step.
Sounds like a young'un with ou'd head on't shouders

A bit of pressure on Dave and George won't go amiss either.
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But what about the letter?

Is a leak a good thing or a bad one?

No leak, Cameron saves Defence - great leader.

Leak, Cameron saves Defence - great SecDef.

Leak, Cameron screws defence - strong leader - SecDef resigns.

No leak, Cameron screws defence - resolute leader - SecDef resigns.

If defence was saved and there was no leak there would be nothing in it for Fox. In all other cases SecDef would score brownie points.

Is that too simple?

Oh, and SecDef institutes witch hunt for leaker - great SecDef.
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You are very naughty for thinking that a fine upstanding person such as a SoS could possibly think in such a way .. god forbid!
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Cynic? Moi? Perish the thought.
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Maybe the pillocks in Procurement and/or the top brass are getting worried. The chainsaw has to come out and heads will have to roll. CX the ridiculous Joint/Spliff fighter, get rid of the Nuclear subs or make sure we have sole control, cull a few thousand of the top brass together with their "grace & favour" homes (& prohibit them and those who follow from joining BAe or any other defence contractor for two years), slash 2/3rd's of procurement, buy something French to keep the US and BAe in a listening mood and stop starting bloody wars.

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Yes but they wouldn't get to see a letter like that to Dave; It would have to be one of the Perm sec's mob in private office. I imagine the distribution list would be fairly small unless he forgot to log off his puter and the cleaner sent it to the DT. Now that would be ironic. So maybe the MOD Plods limited number of brain cells may be able to cope...but then again no.
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SofS may not have copied it to the NSC, however I would be surprised if the likes of CDS, VCDS, PUS, CAS, CGS and 1SL to name a few didn't receive a copy. As such the private office/outer office staff of each would have seen or been able to access it. I hope the MOD plod will be interviewing the staff in No10, its possible someone in No10 could have leaked it as well. However I'll be amazed if the MOD plod find who leaked it. If you don't want it leaked don't put it in writing, next time walk over the road and have a short chat.
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I think PN's shrewd observation is more likely.
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Old 29th Sep 2010, 23:07
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If you don't want it leaked don't put it in writing, next time walk over the road and have a short chat.


Ah you forget one thing with that comment. The great God 'coverurarse'.

Put it in writing and you can say, "I told you so".

When people who work in offices next door to each other send e-mails rather than talk, you know things are bad.
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Ah! but, was it an official leak or an unofficial leak?

I think Sir Humphrey will have to be questioned..
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Ah Politics - Same sugar, different party.

Only aim of a politician is to get re elected.
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Could it be that Cameron and Boy George' were in the CCF at Eton and that nasty RSM shouted at them? Hair too long?
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"Yes, Minister"

Doubtless you'll all remember that superb series. Some of the quotes from there seem appropriate right now.

"The whole aim of a leak inquiry is to make sure that no one is ever found"
(Name one leaker in the last 20 years who's done porridge?)

"The ship of state is the only one that leaks from the top"

I'm sure there's more.......
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"It's one of those Whitehall irregular verbs, isn't it?

' I give confidential briefings, you leak, he is a security risk...' "
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The definition of Secret is something you can only tell to one person at a time
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The only true secret shared between 2 people is when one of the people is dead.
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