Is the role of NCA fully recognised by the wider RAF?
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So what is the link between a bull**** alert and military aviation? My previous post may well be bull, you don't know either way what my time management is like, but you sir, do not practice what you preach.
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Camelspyder I am not bitter at all and it would probably surprise you to find out what I do for a job!
Bitter would mean me being upset about something that I had wanted to do but didn't manage, that is not the case, I am just able to recognise certain caricature type traits amongst my comrades that are both funny and at times very true.
Bitter would mean me being upset about something that I had wanted to do but didn't manage, that is not the case, I am just able to recognise certain caricature type traits amongst my comrades that are both funny and at times very true.
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Wind your neck and take it on the chin, they are taking the p*ss. Take it as its meant. Hopefully your period will finish soon
Oh and just in case you are wondering I am NCA
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Wind your neck and take it on the chin, they are taking the p*ss. Take it as its meant. Hopefully your period will finish soon
Oh and just in case you are wondering I am NCA
HG
p.s. Uranus..... Priceless
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Thanyou for particpating in this survey...
I hope the NCA student who started this thread made good use of the responses for his course presentation last week.
I believe there is a similar one on e-goat, I haven't checked yet to see if that one turned into the usual bunfight.
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I believe there is a similar one on e-goat, I haven't checked yet to see if that one turned into the usual bunfight.
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Not really been subjected to much banter, Puma c'men are smarter and better looking than the average Chinook mate and are able to fend it off without having a tantrum
Oh and I will save you the typing.... "We can lift more than you"
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*** Disclaimer - Seeing as its still your time of the month, everything is meant tongue in cheek..... Well apart from the better looking bit! ***
Not really been subjected to much banter, Puma c'men are smarter and better looking than the average Chinook mate and are able to fend it off without having a tantrum
Oh and I will save you the typing.... "We can lift more than you"
HG
*** Disclaimer - Seeing as its still your time of the month, everything is meant tongue in cheek..... Well apart from the better looking bit! ***
230 Sqn at Gut. Butlins with a bit less red and a bit more green on the coats! But even they did more than 18 (Ornamental) Sqn. The mantlepiece in that new hangar must have been 'kin huge.
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And yes I know it ain't so now- keep safe, all of you
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And yes I know it ain't so now- keep safe, all of you
But even they did more than 18 (Ornamental) Sqn.
As for the Chinook being able to lift more', that's always been crap banter. Relevant to operations post the 1970's may have been more correct.
HG - you can have your tampons back, I'm done with them.
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230 Sqn at Gut. Butlins with a bit less red and a bit more green on the coats!
I had a ball on that sqn - it was just a pity that I was too young and stupid ( and usually drunk at the weekends ) to appreciate what I had at the time.
As for the original question:
a. Probably not.
b. Then again, who gives a toss
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Jokingly in the mess after a few sherberts post battle of britian bash I asked one of our two winged mates if he thought they would consider bringing back SNCO pilots in the SDSR, it works for the army (sort of) was very disappointed by his reply and then a voice pipped up from behind us that he didn't mind pilots and Navs getting flying pay it was just commissioned pay he objected to... Lighting blue touch paper and retreating I couldn't help but laugh.
This has however led me to thinking that there must be many suitable applicants with amazing piloting skills who may not make the grade as officers yet because of this we as a Service lose out. Obviously not being aircrew myself I wonder how those of you that are would view this.
(Strapping on tin hat for the abuse from those who don't read past the first paragraph)
RM.
This has however led me to thinking that there must be many suitable applicants with amazing piloting skills who may not make the grade as officers yet because of this we as a Service lose out. Obviously not being aircrew myself I wonder how those of you that are would view this.
(Strapping on tin hat for the abuse from those who don't read past the first paragraph)
RM.
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Mind you, I had an absolutely stinkng question when I was boarded. "Do you think candidate X would make a good officer?"
I was gobsmacked. There was not way I could say "No, no chance at all, his accent is so thick I couldn't understand him at all." I can't remember what I did say but I was pretty speechless.
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there must be many suitable applicants with amazing piloting skills who may not make the grade as officers
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Siseman, dat am true too although the education requirements act as a filter to a commission whereas it would allow potential NCOs through.
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When I was a flt cdr at IOT the instructions were made perfectly clear - push 'em through; the FTSs will sort out the wheat from the chaff. And of course the FTSs went on the theory that if Cranwell saw fit to graduate them then they must be OK.
I can certainly remember an immense amount of pressure to graduate a few individuals that I had put up for the chop.
I can certainly remember an immense amount of pressure to graduate a few individuals that I had put up for the chop.
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Siesman we suffered from that. We got a very poor specimen in to the Nav School and it was far harder terminating his commission for lack of OQs than it would have been suspending him at Cranditz.
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PN, from your earlier posts I believe I know the person involved. Finningley 1987 perchance?
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose...
During my period as a Staff Pilot on Dominies I became increasingly concerned at the low standard of certain students, specifically in OQ’s and extremely poor attitude(s) to training. Some of these students had spent over a year in IOT!
I mentioned this to a colleague who was an IOT Flight Cdr who told me that the instruction coming down from on high was that, if a candidate passed OASC, then they should/would pass IOT.
Of course this just moved the problem downstream.
However it got even worse, as a CSRO I would often help out on ANS and the Airman Aircrew School Basic Survival Ex's as both an Instructor and a member of the DI Staff.
One candidate was appalling and failed the Ex (Attitude Problem) meaning they would have to resit with the baby pilots when they were at Topcliffe.
Around 18 months later I was in the ANS chatting to a Staff Nav who was writing the chop report – I was amazed that it was almost word for word what I had written earlier even though he’d not read my report.
OC ANTS concurred as did OC ANS, the student was, however, reinstated on the direction of the Stn Cdr.
Having been streamed C130 (they were never going to get Nimrod!) that particular student was chopped on the Herc OCU.
What an incredible waste of time, effort and, not least, money, and a sad indictment of the trust placed in our ability as Instructors by the higher echelons!
Edit: Strangely enough I never found the same problem with Airmen Aircrew students - maybe their selection process was more rigouous?
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose...
During my period as a Staff Pilot on Dominies I became increasingly concerned at the low standard of certain students, specifically in OQ’s and extremely poor attitude(s) to training. Some of these students had spent over a year in IOT!
I mentioned this to a colleague who was an IOT Flight Cdr who told me that the instruction coming down from on high was that, if a candidate passed OASC, then they should/would pass IOT.
Of course this just moved the problem downstream.
However it got even worse, as a CSRO I would often help out on ANS and the Airman Aircrew School Basic Survival Ex's as both an Instructor and a member of the DI Staff.
One candidate was appalling and failed the Ex (Attitude Problem) meaning they would have to resit with the baby pilots when they were at Topcliffe.
Around 18 months later I was in the ANS chatting to a Staff Nav who was writing the chop report – I was amazed that it was almost word for word what I had written earlier even though he’d not read my report.
OC ANTS concurred as did OC ANS, the student was, however, reinstated on the direction of the Stn Cdr.
Having been streamed C130 (they were never going to get Nimrod!) that particular student was chopped on the Herc OCU.
What an incredible waste of time, effort and, not least, money, and a sad indictment of the trust placed in our ability as Instructors by the higher echelons!
Edit: Strangely enough I never found the same problem with Airmen Aircrew students - maybe their selection process was more rigouous?
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Ex-Ascoteer, more than likely.
There was one stude who complained that I had not written him up correctly and simply plagarised one of his earlier reports. My gaster was flabbered.
I checked and sure enough my write-up was word for word what a friend of mine had written two trips before. Now in the sim, as sim drivers we would earwig some of the chatter between studes and instructor, and possibly pick up the good words hence our reports would have some similarity.
Anyway I browsed through the folder and found that my remarks were actually the 3rd time that the same problem had been reported. And the problem? He had dsecended through safety altitude at almost every opportunity.
Because of his complaint, and my going back through his reports he was chopped immediately.
There was one stude who complained that I had not written him up correctly and simply plagarised one of his earlier reports. My gaster was flabbered.
I checked and sure enough my write-up was word for word what a friend of mine had written two trips before. Now in the sim, as sim drivers we would earwig some of the chatter between studes and instructor, and possibly pick up the good words hence our reports would have some similarity.
Anyway I browsed through the folder and found that my remarks were actually the 3rd time that the same problem had been reported. And the problem? He had dsecended through safety altitude at almost every opportunity.
Because of his complaint, and my going back through his reports he was chopped immediately.