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F-35 Cancelled, then what ?

Old 14th Aug 2018, 20:14
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Rhino, I have a vague memory from back in the 80's (even early 90's?) when some old USN frigates and some F-16's were held up (original destination Pakistan) due to a similar political mess.

And then eventually the hold on the transfer/sale was rescinded. Trump seems to be doing the same thing with this move. Note the "90 day review" thing ...
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Old 14th Aug 2018, 23:36
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
Rhino, I have a vague memory from back in the 80's (even early 90's?) when some old USN frigates and some F-16's were held up (original destination Pakistan) due to a similar political mess.
And then eventually the hold on the transfer/sale was rescinded
Pakistan never got those original F-16A/Bs, they went to straight to AMARG and sat there for years before eventually being issued to the USN/MARINES as adversary aircraft with NSAWC.
They did eventually get new F-16s though.

Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
Note the "90 day review" thing ...
Yeah, I did actually mention that, if you re-read my original post...

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Old 15th Aug 2018, 00:19
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Originally Posted by Rhino power View Post
Pakistan never got those original F-16A/Bs, they went to straight to AMARG and sat there for years before eventually being issued to the USN/MARINES as adversary aircraft with NSAWC.
They did eventually get new F-16s though.
They almost went to New Zealand before the then new Govt scrapped their fixed wing combat arm
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 06:36
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And Iran never got the 160 F-16s they had on order at al - or spares for their F-4s or F-14s. Whether Turkey does will depend on how it goes from here.

I do wonder if the cores and other sensitive paints of the US B-61 Bombs at Incirlik are still in place......

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2017...ey-raise-alarm
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Old 20th Aug 2018, 09:48
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F35 Cannon

Just read this 'According toGuns.com, the F-35 cannon can only fire 55 rounds per second, but it must fire relatively slowly to conserve ammunition. That conservation is important for the F-35, as the plane can hold only a 220-round magazine. If fired at 55 rounds per second continuously, the F-35 would run out of ammunition within four seconds..

Don't think that is much cop.
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Old 20th Aug 2018, 12:35
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Originally Posted by sharpend View Post
Just read this 'According toGuns.com, the F-35 cannon can only fire 55 rounds per second, but it must fire relatively slowly to conserve ammunition. That conservation is important for the F-35, as the plane can hold only a 220-round magazine. If fired at 55 rounds per second continuously, the F-35 would run out of ammunition within four seconds..

Don't think that is much cop.
Has the UK even funded the podded cannon for the F-35B?
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Old 20th Aug 2018, 12:45
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Originally Posted by sharpend View Post
Just read this 'According toGuns.com, the F-35 cannon can only fire 55 rounds per second, but it must fire relatively slowly to conserve ammunition. That conservation is important for the F-35, as the plane can hold only a 220-round magazine. If fired at 55 rounds per second continuously, the F-35 would run out of ammunition within four seconds..

Don't think that is much cop.
That’s the podded gun. The internal one fitted in the F-35A carries even fewer rounds.

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Old 21st Aug 2018, 07:26
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I gather that the MiG-29 only carries about 100 rounds. But the advent of highly accurate gun sights, plus the excellent combined IRSTS / [email protected] ranger gives the aircraft the capability of a 'single round kill'.

No need these days to blatter away with 4 x 30mm Aden hoping that you might get some rounds near enough to the opposition to take it out.
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Old 21st Aug 2018, 14:53
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Originally Posted by BEagle View Post
I gather that the MiG-29 only carries about 100 rounds. But the advent of highly accurate gun sights, plus the excellent combined IRSTS / [email protected] ranger gives the aircraft the capability of a 'single round kill'.

No need these days to blatter away with 4 x 30mm Aden hoping that you might get some rounds near enough to the opposition to take it out.
Salient points, Beagle, but, when you consider that the F-35A is intended as a CAS platform fit to replace the magnificent A-10, the F-35A's rather miserly 180 rounds of 25mm vs the A-10's, by comparison, somewhat extravagant maximum of 1,350 rounds of 30mm (types various), it certainly tells a tale insofar as combat persistence with troops in contact...

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Old 21st Aug 2018, 18:25
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Originally Posted by TEEEJ View Post
Has the UK even funded the podded cannon for the F-35B?
Don't ask awkward questions.


On second thoughts the pod may be funded, but not the gun and ammo if Typhoon is anything to go by.
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Old 21st Aug 2018, 19:53
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
I do wonder if the cores and other sensitive paints of the US B-61 Bombs at Incirlik are still in place......
I wouldn't worry about the B-61s at Incirlik - good luck trying to get one out of a WS3 ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon...ecurity_System
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Old 21st Aug 2018, 21:26
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Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09 View Post
I wouldn't worry about the B-61s at Incirlik - good luck trying to get one out of a WS3 ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon...ecurity_System
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 14:18
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Hi Beagle,

I have of course heard of various folk over the years whose ability to use the cannon effectively were simply amazing.

As the unelected voice of ‘the rest of us’ - even with a very accurate aiming group provided by the excellent APG-79 on the Super Hornet - I would humbly suggest that the ‘single shot kill’ with a cannon is never going to happen. A ‘single shot hit’ in anything other than a stable tail chase like scenario would (for the likes of me) be a miracle.

I think the ‘small number of hits managed out of a 100 round burst at fleeting target’ is probably more likely.

The approved technique is to recognise potential passage of target through ones HUD. Select gun. Trigger down. Make lame attempt at leading target. Over control a little. Watch target flash through. Release trigger. Watch tape later.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 16:34
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The nine F-35Bs delivered to Marham don’t seem to have flown much - a few airshow flypasts and not much more. And yet they’re supposed to be working up to IOC by the year end. It can’t be that everyone’s in the sim cos those haven’t been delivered yet. Is it a UK MAA issue, or what?
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 17:50
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Hello Jacko, I live near Marham, have not seen one yet.
Maybe they are so quiet that I don't look up ?
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 21:37
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That’ll be it. Noted for its quietness the F-35. Silly me
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 23:34
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F-35 nose gear 'collapse'...

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/20180822/update-f-35-spotted-nose-down-on-runway

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018...ght-emergency/

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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 13:04
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Originally Posted by Jackonicko View Post
The nine F-35Bs delivered to Marham don’t seem to have flown much - a few airshow flypasts and not much more.
Out of idle interest, what's your basis for saying that?
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 16:11
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I should imagine that the Nikon Nerd Nation has Marham covered.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 16:17
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Originally Posted by LowObservable View Post
I should imagine that the Nikon Nerd Nation has Marham covered.
Oi, I resemble that remark.

Jackonicko does have a point though, I live nearby and get Tornado, F15, Apache, Osprey, the odd Tucano and Merlin. No sign of Lightning, nor have the spotter sites had anything.

Have we maybe used this year's allocation of petrol? Something has to fund that TG1 FRI
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