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F-35 Cancelled, then what ?

Old 1st Jun 2018, 19:19
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doubt they'll build 3000 TBH too expensive............... and very late
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 23:30
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They're going to build at least 3800 of them (2443 for the US, 600 for the partners and 800 FMS).

That's what it says here, and to paraphrase the Bard, Dr Thompson is an honourable man.

After all, he was the one who assured us in November 2009 that everything was going just tickety-ing-boo. And shucks, he had it pretty well right. Aside from the program office director getting canned two months later and the fact that it took more than three years before anyone could commit to an IOC date. Details, details.

The important point is that one must not underestimate the value of a paper commitment to a certain quantity of airplanes, because an irritating provision of Nunn-McCurdy is that it considers that naughty ol' PAUC.

So you might think that LM is sending Herr Doktor out to big up the production numbers and protect the PAUC estimate. But that's impossible, for Dr Thompson (as noted above) is an honourable man.
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 09:24
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Wasn't the rumour that the first 4 were due to arrive at Marham today............or was that just wishful thinking and spin, like most things related to this aircraft
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 11:42
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Originally Posted by GeeRam View Post
Wasn't the rumour that the first 4 were due to arrive at Marham today............or was that just wishful thinking and spin, like most things related to this aircraft
As opposed to the opinionated ignorance some on here regurgitate from the Daily Mail and similarly 'reliable' sources?
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 11:45
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Maybe they have and nobody saw them?
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 11:56
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Originally Posted by GeeRam View Post
Wasn't the rumour that the first 4 were due to arrive at Marham today............or was that just wishful thinking and spin, like most things related to this aircraft
Rumour is that weather issues US side has delayed the departure. RAF Marham have released the following.


Well done RAF Marham and the local landowners for arranging the following for people to view the arrival.

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Old 5th Jun 2018, 12:05
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From UKDJ...
Due to bad weather, the expected arrival of the first British F-35Bs to the UK today has been cancelled. They will arrive at the earliest opportunity and remain two months ahead of schedule.
Rightfully, the RAF want to ensure optimal conditions for the flight, and safety remains paramount. Tomorrow remains a possibility.Obviously these aircraft can fly in bad weather but given there's no operational imperative to do so, they're not taking the risk with the lives of those involved for a photo-op. This is standard practice with all types unless on operations, risking crew and equipment when not required would be foolish. Let's not forget the risk bad weather adds to aerial refuelling. If you still think this is terrible, we might suggest you strap yourself in and give flying them over a go.
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 12:06
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RAF is tweeting
decision is based flight safety - trails require fit sea states and diversions - these are not available today, but may be tomorrow...
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 12:29
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post
From UKDJ...
Highly defensive article written to stifle debate.

Anyway, who is providing the AAR?
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 12:59
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glad rag
Anyway, who is providing the AAR?
RAF Voyagers

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Originally Posted by glad rag View Post
Highly defensive article written to stifle debate.
What a fascinatingly conspiratorial turn of phrase....."written to stifle debate."
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 07:35
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Read those last few words in the context of identified, potential life-threatening, category 1 deficiencies.......

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ction-gao-says

F-35 Defects Must Be Fixed Before Full-Production, GAO Says

The Defense Department office that oversees the F-35 program was criticized by a government watchdog for its plans to delay fixing critical deficiencies on the fighter until after a decision to start full-rate production is made -- a move that won’t come before October 2019.

The F-35 -- the world’s most expensive weapons program -- had 966 “open deficiencies” as of January, the Government Accountability Office said in an annual report released Tuesday. Of those, at least 180 “will not be resolved before full-rate production” under the Pentagon office’s current plans, according to the report. The production decision would commit the U.S. to building 77 or more of the Lockheed Martin Corp. aircraft per year over the next 12 years, up from 70 this year. Output would peak at 105 aircraft in 2023 at an annual cost of $13.4 billion and stay at that rate for six years. That makes it imperative for the Pentagon to fix the deficiencies before a decision about production -- the most profitable phase for Lockheed -- is made, the report said.

Over the past year, the Pentagon “has made progress in completing the F-35 development program,” GAO said. “However, in its rush to cross the finish line, the program has made some decisions that are likely to affect aircraft performance and reliability and maintainability for years to come.” The GAO report broke down the shortfalls into two categories: Category 1 deficiencies are defined as “those that could jeopardize safety, security, or another critical requirement,” while Category 2 deficiencies “are those that could impede or constrain successful mission accomplishment.” The report cited 111 Category 1 and 855 Category 2 deficiencies........

F-35 program office spokesman Joe DellaVedova said via email that, as with past GAO assessments, this one was completed with the office’s “full cooperation and unfettered access to information. There were no surprises in the report and the items mentioned are well known,” he said.

“The program already has actions in work for the GAO’s recommendations to address deficiencies and identify steps to meet reliability and maintainability requirements,” he said. Officials expect the F-35 Program “to resolve all critical deficiencies prior to entering” combat testing “with either a fix,” a service-approved work around “or a formal acceptance of the deficiency,” he added







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Old 6th Jun 2018, 18:46
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They are on their way...
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 19:41
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Indeed they are - heck of a long trip!

From what I could see, the first Voyager RRR9101 brought them up the Eastern US seaboard from Charleston, before handing over to a pair of Voyagers from Gander for the pond crossing (an 'interesting' RV) on the southern route as a 6-ship cell, whilst RRR9101 landed at Gander.

Currently at 18:40Z just approaching Yeovil, but it looks like the Voyagers have now split formation - RRR9103 is at F180, but RRR9102 is passing F120.

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Old 6th Jun 2018, 23:06
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F-35B arrives tonght

Here are my attempts at tonights arrival in sunny deepest Nortolk, starting off with Benson's finest lol

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Old 7th Jun 2018, 08:12
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Is that somebody shouting Dave! Dave! at the end?.........

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Old 7th Jun 2018, 08:40
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Nice to see a new type in service. Hopefully we'll see a return of a couple more of our famous old fighter squadrons - or won't we be allowed to adorn their expensive fancy grey paint with red & white checks or tiger stripes?

Are they actually any good? Apart from being stealthy and a bit faster, what do they do that a Harrier GR.9A couldn't? I assume it's all about the electric wizardry?

I still miss the days when we had Harriers, Jags, Buccs, real Lightnings and Phantoms! I guess just two FJ types is as good as it'll ever be now.
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 08:49
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After the trail up the eastern seaboard and RV south of Newfoundland, presumably it took 2 Voyagers and such a southerly pond hop because the F-35B has such a small fuel capacity that a single hose plan across the pond with a single Voyager would have been impossible?

12-15 refuelling brackets for each F-35B from MCAS Beaufort to Marham, according to press reports...
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