F-35 Cancelled, then what ?
Actually, there was a Skunk Works seaplane fighter study in the early 1980s, probably because of the difficulty of cratering a lake.
And you could probably use active ride control/smart actuators to alleviate the Sea Dart's most serious problem, which was that the high-speed on-water ride caused the pilot's body parts to vibrate into places where God did not intend them to be.
And you could probably use active ride control/smart actuators to alleviate the Sea Dart's most serious problem, which was that the high-speed on-water ride caused the pilot's body parts to vibrate into places where God did not intend them to be.
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Whot... the "at-home" Brits too busy reminiscing about 1970s TV... shows... to pay attention to the doings in the colonies? 
Apparently JSFfan is still asleep "downunda"...
http://www.pprune.org/7552617-post356.html
Federal government cancels F-35 fighter purchase
More details at link.
Apparently JSFfan is still asleep "downunda"...
http://www.pprune.org/7552617-post356.html
Internal politics saying stuff means nothing, all partners are still committed.
Federal government cancels F-35 fighter purchase
By Michael Den Tandt, The Ottawa Citizen December 6, 2012 10:06 PM
OTTAWA — The F-35 jet fighter purchase, the most persistent thorn in the federal government’s side and the subject of a devastating auditor-general’s report last spring, is dead.
Faced with the imminent release of an audit by accountants KPMG that will push the total projected life-cycle costs of the aircraft above $30 billion, the operations committee of the federal Cabinet decided to scrap the controversial sole-source program and go back to the drawing board, a source familiar with the decision said.
This occurred after Chief of the Defence Staff Thomas Lawson, while en route overseas, was called back urgently to appear before the committee, the source said.
By Michael Den Tandt, The Ottawa Citizen December 6, 2012 10:06 PM
OTTAWA — The F-35 jet fighter purchase, the most persistent thorn in the federal government’s side and the subject of a devastating auditor-general’s report last spring, is dead.
Faced with the imminent release of an audit by accountants KPMG that will push the total projected life-cycle costs of the aircraft above $30 billion, the operations committee of the federal Cabinet decided to scrap the controversial sole-source program and go back to the drawing board, a source familiar with the decision said.
This occurred after Chief of the Defence Staff Thomas Lawson, while en route overseas, was called back urgently to appear before the committee, the source said.
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http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...-plug-f35.html
They are "considering alternatives" and the CoS was hauled back from overseas .... sounds like they're getting their coats on to me
They are "considering alternatives" and the CoS was hauled back from overseas .... sounds like they're getting their coats on to me
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JSF fan,
no, the government press release said that the article contained a 'number of innaccuracies'. it didn't say what those inaccuracies were - it could, for example have been refering to spelling mistakes, or specific stuff that doesn't really impact on the thrust of the story which is that JSF is in very deep poo in Canada, and that the government has, according which version you believe, either already decided to cancel JSF, or decided to have a new competition in which it may well cancel JSF.
if there were no truth whatsoever in the story, the government would have said so - it did not...
no, the government press release said that the article contained a 'number of innaccuracies'. it didn't say what those inaccuracies were - it could, for example have been refering to spelling mistakes, or specific stuff that doesn't really impact on the thrust of the story which is that JSF is in very deep poo in Canada, and that the government has, according which version you believe, either already decided to cancel JSF, or decided to have a new competition in which it may well cancel JSF.
if there were no truth whatsoever in the story, the government would have said so - it did not...
F-35 deal not cancelled, Tories insist. Update on the government's plan to purchase new fighter jets expected next week
The Harper government says it has not made a decision on the F-35 as a replacement for Canada's CF-18 fighter jets, but the government now appears to concede that alternative fighter purchase options will be considered.
The Prime Minister's Office denied a media report Thursday that the F-35 purchase was dead, calling the report "inaccurate on a number of fronts" and promising to update the House of Commons on its seven-point plan to replace the jets before the House rises for the Christmas break at the end of next week.
That plan is now expected to involve a real competition.
The Harper government says it has not made a decision on the F-35 as a replacement for Canada's CF-18 fighter jets, but the government now appears to concede that alternative fighter purchase options will be considered.
The Prime Minister's Office denied a media report Thursday that the F-35 purchase was dead, calling the report "inaccurate on a number of fronts" and promising to update the House of Commons on its seven-point plan to replace the jets before the House rises for the Christmas break at the end of next week.
That plan is now expected to involve a real competition.
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That plan is now expected to involve a real competition.
Or is that just me using an excessive amount of rational thought???
Anyway if they are going to have a 'competition' , the outcome can be pretty much whatever they want, the F35 for the RCAF might be as alive as before , with a slight political detour to safe face in the longrun.
Competitions can have all sort of dubious outcomes, last times it was the Gripen vs Rafale in Switzerland, the EF vs Rafale in India and also the strategic tanker debacle for the USAF are still fresh in the mind.
The Harper Government cannot be seen to be ignoring the financial side of the F-35 deal (now that it's out in the open), as they are using the same arguments on other big policies.
Whilst Canada remains officially committed to the program, Canadian companies retain their share of the manufacturing work, which is not guaranteed otherwise (read: more likely to be kept the longer it stays committed).
The end result could be anything from cancelling & buying Super Hornets to a whitewash review & F-35 continues, with any amount of delay.
Unless anyone here knows what's going on in Stephen Harper's head, I suggest we wait and see.
Whilst Canada remains officially committed to the program, Canadian companies retain their share of the manufacturing work, which is not guaranteed otherwise (read: more likely to be kept the longer it stays committed).
The end result could be anything from cancelling & buying Super Hornets to a whitewash review & F-35 continues, with any amount of delay.
Unless anyone here knows what's going on in Stephen Harper's head, I suggest we wait and see.
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The procurement cost numbers for Canada hasn't changed and both sides are using the same group of numbers. The different cost numbers count different things. Canada wants a 5th gen jet and they have said there is only one 5th gen jet available to them. The rest is a political side show
Canada News Centre - National Fighter Procurement Secretariat announces bid for review of acquisition process
National Fighter Procurement Secretariat announces bid for review of acquisition process
The goal of this independent review is to:
Canada News Centre - National Fighter Procurement Secretariat announces bid for review of acquisition process
National Fighter Procurement Secretariat announces bid for review of acquisition process
The goal of this independent review is to:
- determine whether the shortcomings the Auditor General identified in the acquisition process have been addressed;
- confirm whether the steps taken in the acquisition process for the period up to June 2012 were in accordance with government policies, procedures and regulations; and
- provide lessons learned and propose recommendations for changes, if any, to current practices and policies for acquisitions of a similar nature
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they have said there is only one 5th gen jet available to them
F-35 not only jet that meets stealth needs, top general says - Politics - CBC News
"But when asked by Liberal defence critic John McKay whether there is only one airplane that can meet the standard of stealth set out in the Canadian military's requirements, Lawson said "no."
"All options are on the table," Lawson told MPs."
As I said, I think you'd have to be inside the Prime Minister's head to know what all the secret agendas are here.
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all options are on the table and the review will look at all options and will probably get the prices of the current 4th gen as a cost comparison, the option for a 5th gen jet is the f-35, do you know of another one available to Canada?
The Super hornet URF is $66m and the f-35a is $73m in 2012 dollars (LM thinks $67m) I don't know for certain the URF of the eurocanards, but I hear they are dearer
The Super hornet URF is $66m and the f-35a is $73m in 2012 dollars (LM thinks $67m) I don't know for certain the URF of the eurocanards, but I hear they are dearer
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