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F-35 Cancelled, then what ?

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Old 23rd May 2013, 08:17
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Still looks cool.
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The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter: the jet 'that almost flies itself'

Squadron Leader Frankie Buchler, currently testing Britain's new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter in the US, speaks to the Telegraph about the jet "that looks out for its pilot".

Telegraph Interview : S/L F. Buchler.

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Old 23rd May 2013, 17:23
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Interesting developments generally on the Advanced Hornet. Having clearly been told in 2010 to not promote the jet as an F-35 alternative (hence the "International Roadmap" title, now abandoned), Boeing is now feeling more able to pitch the jet as a bridge to the F-35C - or whatever comes next. By the way, it is not intended to meet JSF signature levels. The concept is that you have IDECM and work with Growler and standoff weapons, so you don't need to.
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SmarT.
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By the way, it is not intended to meet JSF signature levels. The concept is that you have IDECM and work with Growler and standoff weapons, so you don't need to.
I hear that this method has been used with some success before.
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Old 23rd May 2013, 18:35
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...and the argument still carries some weight now. Depends what you need, can afford and what your perceived threat is.
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Old 23rd May 2013, 19:21
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I am reliably informed that there have been some marginal improvements in the area of electronics since 1991.

In the EW world, digital RF memory and digital receivers - which listen simultaneously on all freqs rather than sweeping a band - have been important, along with phased-array antennas (much better directional accuracy) and interference cancellation.

Now add that to a weaker target echo...
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F-35 Cost Decline Due to Lower Labor Costs, Accounting Changes
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This will make things interesting:-
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...-carriers.html
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The important bit...has performance improved by 68%? Yes or No?

F-35 Cost Decline Due to Lower Labor Costs, Accounting Changes

Even with the improvement for the F-35 reported yesterday, the projected cost has increased 68 percent since the Pentagon signed its initial contract for the fighter with Bethesda, Maryland-based Lockheed in 2001.
Ref From ORAC 's post F-35 Cost Decline Due to Lower Labor Costs, Accounting Changes
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Old 25th May 2013, 18:06
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In other words, "It's OK, I'm sure the cost of our workforce costs won't go up nearly as much as you think, therefore, the cost of the jet is bound to come down. OK?"

Someone's grasping at straws.

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Old 25th May 2013, 19:55
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Most of the new stuff in the SAR is in sub-noise-level given that buys go out to 2037. However, the Navy/Marine buy rate has slowed, which may be good news for St Louis.
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I asked a question the other day regards to whether the RAF/Navy will go Loe Level with the JSF. Some one said it was rather an odd query, i dont think it's odd just maybe a little naive, as i know it is a stealthy aircraft but it's replacing the GR4 in a few years or so and the operational requirement for the Tornado is a LL aircraft.
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Old 26th May 2013, 15:00
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The F-35 will fly above 90% of the group of ground weapons that caused problems with GR4 in Iraq. I would suggest reading the interviews on http://www.sldinfo.com/?s=interview for a good overview of how the F-35 will be used

@ CM, I think it would be based on man hours, rather than wages paid

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Old 26th May 2013, 15:03
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ground weapons that caused problems with GR4 in Iraq
Which ones were these? The only ground based weapon that (sadly) caused the GR4 problems were American ones. And they weren't in Iraq either....
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Old 26th May 2013, 15:22
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Did I get the model wrong? I was refering to the 6 lost to AA, most manpads are a problem for low level ingress too. It's not to criticise the platform, we just replaced our F-111 which we were very proud of. It's just that the era has passed.
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Old 26th May 2013, 15:29
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Flying LL is not an operational requirement - it is (was?) a tactic used to avoid detection / engagement by SAM systems iot get in a position to drop a bomb. JSF uses stealth to achieve the same.

Ofc there are cases where you will need to go LL - SOP/SOF for example but it isn't quite the same.

LL is currently a dying tactic - I suspect it has only lasted as long as it has because a. It's the way we used to do it and b. It's fun. Never know, it might come back if stealth isn't all it is sold to be!
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Old 26th May 2013, 15:31
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They were GR1. And not all were confirmed SAM shoot downs either. Have a read here.
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Old 26th May 2013, 15:43
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I was meaning more how on the initial missions it went in LL but that tactic changed quickly, didn't it?

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Old 26th May 2013, 16:08
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Part of the original idea of stealth was to avoid having to fly where you can be detected by the Mk 1 Eyeball or the Lug-'ole Mod 0.

Some exceptions to this rule, but not fighters.
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