Up to 200 Russian Navy planes burn in fire . . .
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I think that a more reliable source for this story might be worth finding - look at another headline on the linked page:
Doesn't exactly inspire confidence....
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Caption states 200 helicopters and aircraft, however reporter from the scene states 20 aircraft?
Forest fires destroy 200 Russian navy aircraft ? report - RT Top Stories
Forest fires destroy 200 Russian navy aircraft ? report - RT Top Stories
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There appears to be some corrobaration of the aircraft loss, coming from other news sources websites, as the Russian authorities slowly admit that there have been "losses" from fire at this base. The Russians never admit to anything that might prove an embarrassment.
Russia forest fire destroyed 13 hangars at base [ WORLD BULLETIN- TURKEY NEWS, WORLD NEWS ]
Russia forest fire destroyed 13 hangars at base [ WORLD BULLETIN- TURKEY NEWS, WORLD NEWS ]
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That's all right then.
Russia's beleaguered defence ministry had initially denied reports of the blaze. It described a story that 200 planes had been destroyed as "fiction" and said the base concerned did not even exist.
Russia's reaction to this story is another indicator, if any were needed,that the whole idea that she is now a modern Western style democracy is a complete joke. The Russian government, with ex KGB man Putin's hand still firmly on the tiller, is stuck back in the Soviet days, where secrecy and denial of any bad news were the default position.
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where secrecy and denial of any bad news were the default position.
Now saying that some nukes might have been stored at the base which is a central store/MU for the Naval Aviation
that the whole idea that she is now a modern Western style democracy
However considering the story and the number "200" was reiterated by the Russian Government Organ RT (as quoted on this thread) does demonstrate that some opaqueness is apparent!
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It's probable that some of the losses reported were museum pieces left to burn. A Reuters image used by the BBC on the story last week, for example, showed what appears to be Su-15/21s - granted, not an AVMF type, but still indicative of the obsolete kit left to rot on many Russian airfields.
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Plus ça change....
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Where is the base?
Having read all these reports I have been studying google earth to try and find an indication of this base.
The closest candidate seems to be Lukhovitsy Tretyakovo Airport, this is indeed on the outskirts of Kolomna. The imagery shows around 40 Mig29's in open storage and several large hangers.
However according to wiki the airport is operated by Russian Aircraft Corporation "MiG" as part of the Lukhovitsy Aircraft Production and Test Complex.
This is from the global security website:
Neither of which make it sound like the Central Aerotechnical Base (CAB) of the Russian Navy Air Force and Air Defense as described, with possible nukes in storage.
Anyone with any thoughts.
Phil
The closest candidate seems to be Lukhovitsy Tretyakovo Airport, this is indeed on the outskirts of Kolomna. The imagery shows around 40 Mig29's in open storage and several large hangers.
However according to wiki the airport is operated by Russian Aircraft Corporation "MiG" as part of the Lukhovitsy Aircraft Production and Test Complex.
This is from the global security website:
"Lukhovitsy Machine Building Plant (LMZ)
Lukhovitsy Aviation Production and Test Complex (LAPIK)
Lukhovitsy Machine Building Plant (LMZ)
Lukhovitsy, Moscow Region, Russia
Tel/Fax: +7 09663 1 1376/+7 095 234 4313
E-mail: [email protected]
Lukhovitsy Machine Building Plant (LMZ) is an integral part of Federal State Unitary Enterprise- Military Industrial Group "MAPO" (FSUE "MIG "MAPO"). The plant was founded as a subsidiary of Moscow Machine-Building Plant "Znamya Truda" ("Banner of Labour") in 1953 and before 1968 functioned as its test-flight base. The Lukhovitsy Aircraft Production and Test Complex includes the Tretyakovo airfield facility established to perform test flights and acceptance flights of all aircraft produced by the RAC "MiG".
The Lukhovitsy Aircraft Production and Test Complex is a high-capacity facility provided with up-to-date equipment which manufactured the IL-28 tactical bombers and the MiG-23 / MiG-27 family fighter/strike aircraft. Later the Complex was responsible for production of MiG-29 fighters.
Pyotr Dementyev was Minister of the Aircraft Industry. Dementyev found future General Designers, such as Sergei Mikheyev (head of the Kamov Design Bureau). When Mikheyev worked as designer, Dementyev told the head of the personnel department to watch his future, adding: "This guy is very talented. After Kamov he is very likely to become General Designer." And that is what happened. During the Soviet period Aviation Plant #30 was named after [immeni] Dementyev.
In order to test the armament control system Mikoyan MMZ plant converted two mass-produced MiG-29 (9-13) aircraft, which became the MiG-29S prototypes. Tests of both models were completed in 1991, and in 1994, the MiG-29S became operational. By this time, MAPO named after Pyotr Dementyev had produced over 50 planes. However, only 16 of them were purchased by the Russian Air Force, while the rest were later converted into the MiG-29SE export models.
The Lukhovitsy Machine Building Plant was involved in the production of the MiG-21U, MiG-21M, MiG-21MF, MiG-21MT, and MiG-21F-13. The plant is a modern aviation productive complex with close-loop manufacturing process of parts and units, their assembly, with ground and in flight trying out of the MiG-29 fighters, ground and in flight testing of the light civil aircraft Il-103, I-1l and other middle sized aircraft. On 10 May 2005 a large batch of MiG-29 fighters from manoeuvre units of the Russian air force came for modernization to the Lukhovitsy aircraft production-and-test facilities of the MiG aircraft building corporation.
The Lukhovitsy Machine-Building Plant (LMZ) has been extensively involved in the manufacture of light civilian aircraft. The LMZ s first experience in the production of general aviation aircraft was the SL-90 two-seater developed by Interavia JSC, which later evolved into the I-1L aircraft powered by the Textron Lycoming IO-320-E2A engine, currently undergoing final certification tests. Cooperation with the Ilyushin Aviation Complex - the Il-103 aircraft developer - began in 1993 and has brought considerable results. On July 9, 1997, in accordance with the Federal Aviation Authority's Order #145, the Il-103 produced by the MAPO Midge s Lukhovitsy Machine-Building Plant was cleared for operation in Russia.
In accordance with the existing RAC "MiG" development and restructuring plan, the Complex was to carry out final assembly of the Tu-334 airliner, the MiG-29K/KUB carrier-based fighters and the Ka-60/62 helicopters. Lead-in conversion programs at the Lukhovitsy Aircraft Production and Test Complex include series production of several light civil aircraft ranging from the Aviatika-MAI-890/890SKh ultralight aircraft to the IL-103 four-seat utility aircraft. Besides, the Complex produces unique composite materials used in the aircraft industry.
In February 2002 MiG began moving its production facilities from Moscow to Lukhovitsy where a hall was to be built for the assembly of the Tu-334 passenger liner. Even though 70 per cent of the assembly workshop for Tu-334 has been completed by 2003, it was not clear yet where parts of the plane are to be produced. It would be reasonable to shift the production complex to the machine-building enterprise in the town of Lukhovitsy, the third component of the aviation corporation. The MiG representatives are hoping that the production move will allow a lowering of expenses for personnel by approximately 20 percent. In 2001, the average salary was 6,000 rubles a month according to RSK MiG, and the fund for payment for labor approximately 1.3 billion rubles a year.
Lukhovitsy had initially planned to carry out a final assembly of deck-based MiG-29K fighter jets, regional Tu-334s, and also MiG-110s and Il-103s for local lines. But by 2004 the Tu-334 project had been passed to the Kazan Aircraft Production Association, the MiG-110 and Il-103 projects were practically frozen, and the MiG-29 was planned to be assembled at Nizhny Novgorod's Sokol plant.
On 17 May 2006 European companies Airbus and EFW and Russian corporations Irkut and MiG signed a memorandum for creating a joint venture to convert passenger airplanes A320/330/340 into cargo aircrafts in Berlin. According to Irkut vice-president Valery Bezverkhny, the planes will be converted in Dresden and in Lukhovitsy near Moscow. Two production sites will be used for the final assembly of converted aircrafts—one in Dresden, the other—in Lukhovitsy near Moscow. Dresden will specialize on wide-body ?330/340 planes, and Lukhovitsy will be converting narrow-bodied A320. Planes of 10-15 years and no more than $10 million each will be converted. Companies like DHL and Fedex are among the buyers.
In March 2007 MiG agreed to hand over to the Irkut Research and Production Corporation its production premises at Lukhovitsy, Moscow Region, which Irkut planned to use to convert European Airbus 320 airplanes into cargo aircraft. "The Lukhovitsy plant could be either leased to Irkut following a decision by the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) or physically transferred from their statement to [our] assets," said Oleg Demchenko, Irkut president. "But this will only be possible after MiG has been incorporated and joins the UAC [which must take place early in 2008]."
Airbus Freighter Conversion (AFC) is a joint venture between Russian companies - United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) and Irkut Corp, each with 25 per cent stake– and EADS Elbe Flugzeugwerke GmbH (EFW) 32 per cent and Airbus 18 per cent.
On 22 March 2007 European aerospace and defence group EADS and Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) signed four agreements which further specify cooperation programmes under discussion between the partners. The agreements are based on the findings of a top-level working group which has been set up end of last year. One agreement provided for the establishment of a joint venture located in Dresden, which will have the task of setting up freighter conversion centres for the Airbus A320 Family at Lukhovitsy near Moscow in Russia and the German site."
Lukhovitsy Aviation Production and Test Complex (LAPIK)
Lukhovitsy Machine Building Plant (LMZ)
Lukhovitsy, Moscow Region, Russia
Tel/Fax: +7 09663 1 1376/+7 095 234 4313
E-mail: [email protected]
Lukhovitsy Machine Building Plant (LMZ) is an integral part of Federal State Unitary Enterprise- Military Industrial Group "MAPO" (FSUE "MIG "MAPO"). The plant was founded as a subsidiary of Moscow Machine-Building Plant "Znamya Truda" ("Banner of Labour") in 1953 and before 1968 functioned as its test-flight base. The Lukhovitsy Aircraft Production and Test Complex includes the Tretyakovo airfield facility established to perform test flights and acceptance flights of all aircraft produced by the RAC "MiG".
The Lukhovitsy Aircraft Production and Test Complex is a high-capacity facility provided with up-to-date equipment which manufactured the IL-28 tactical bombers and the MiG-23 / MiG-27 family fighter/strike aircraft. Later the Complex was responsible for production of MiG-29 fighters.
Pyotr Dementyev was Minister of the Aircraft Industry. Dementyev found future General Designers, such as Sergei Mikheyev (head of the Kamov Design Bureau). When Mikheyev worked as designer, Dementyev told the head of the personnel department to watch his future, adding: "This guy is very talented. After Kamov he is very likely to become General Designer." And that is what happened. During the Soviet period Aviation Plant #30 was named after [immeni] Dementyev.
In order to test the armament control system Mikoyan MMZ plant converted two mass-produced MiG-29 (9-13) aircraft, which became the MiG-29S prototypes. Tests of both models were completed in 1991, and in 1994, the MiG-29S became operational. By this time, MAPO named after Pyotr Dementyev had produced over 50 planes. However, only 16 of them were purchased by the Russian Air Force, while the rest were later converted into the MiG-29SE export models.
The Lukhovitsy Machine Building Plant was involved in the production of the MiG-21U, MiG-21M, MiG-21MF, MiG-21MT, and MiG-21F-13. The plant is a modern aviation productive complex with close-loop manufacturing process of parts and units, their assembly, with ground and in flight trying out of the MiG-29 fighters, ground and in flight testing of the light civil aircraft Il-103, I-1l and other middle sized aircraft. On 10 May 2005 a large batch of MiG-29 fighters from manoeuvre units of the Russian air force came for modernization to the Lukhovitsy aircraft production-and-test facilities of the MiG aircraft building corporation.
The Lukhovitsy Machine-Building Plant (LMZ) has been extensively involved in the manufacture of light civilian aircraft. The LMZ s first experience in the production of general aviation aircraft was the SL-90 two-seater developed by Interavia JSC, which later evolved into the I-1L aircraft powered by the Textron Lycoming IO-320-E2A engine, currently undergoing final certification tests. Cooperation with the Ilyushin Aviation Complex - the Il-103 aircraft developer - began in 1993 and has brought considerable results. On July 9, 1997, in accordance with the Federal Aviation Authority's Order #145, the Il-103 produced by the MAPO Midge s Lukhovitsy Machine-Building Plant was cleared for operation in Russia.
In accordance with the existing RAC "MiG" development and restructuring plan, the Complex was to carry out final assembly of the Tu-334 airliner, the MiG-29K/KUB carrier-based fighters and the Ka-60/62 helicopters. Lead-in conversion programs at the Lukhovitsy Aircraft Production and Test Complex include series production of several light civil aircraft ranging from the Aviatika-MAI-890/890SKh ultralight aircraft to the IL-103 four-seat utility aircraft. Besides, the Complex produces unique composite materials used in the aircraft industry.
In February 2002 MiG began moving its production facilities from Moscow to Lukhovitsy where a hall was to be built for the assembly of the Tu-334 passenger liner. Even though 70 per cent of the assembly workshop for Tu-334 has been completed by 2003, it was not clear yet where parts of the plane are to be produced. It would be reasonable to shift the production complex to the machine-building enterprise in the town of Lukhovitsy, the third component of the aviation corporation. The MiG representatives are hoping that the production move will allow a lowering of expenses for personnel by approximately 20 percent. In 2001, the average salary was 6,000 rubles a month according to RSK MiG, and the fund for payment for labor approximately 1.3 billion rubles a year.
Lukhovitsy had initially planned to carry out a final assembly of deck-based MiG-29K fighter jets, regional Tu-334s, and also MiG-110s and Il-103s for local lines. But by 2004 the Tu-334 project had been passed to the Kazan Aircraft Production Association, the MiG-110 and Il-103 projects were practically frozen, and the MiG-29 was planned to be assembled at Nizhny Novgorod's Sokol plant.
On 17 May 2006 European companies Airbus and EFW and Russian corporations Irkut and MiG signed a memorandum for creating a joint venture to convert passenger airplanes A320/330/340 into cargo aircrafts in Berlin. According to Irkut vice-president Valery Bezverkhny, the planes will be converted in Dresden and in Lukhovitsy near Moscow. Two production sites will be used for the final assembly of converted aircrafts—one in Dresden, the other—in Lukhovitsy near Moscow. Dresden will specialize on wide-body ?330/340 planes, and Lukhovitsy will be converting narrow-bodied A320. Planes of 10-15 years and no more than $10 million each will be converted. Companies like DHL and Fedex are among the buyers.
In March 2007 MiG agreed to hand over to the Irkut Research and Production Corporation its production premises at Lukhovitsy, Moscow Region, which Irkut planned to use to convert European Airbus 320 airplanes into cargo aircraft. "The Lukhovitsy plant could be either leased to Irkut following a decision by the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) or physically transferred from their statement to [our] assets," said Oleg Demchenko, Irkut president. "But this will only be possible after MiG has been incorporated and joins the UAC [which must take place early in 2008]."
Airbus Freighter Conversion (AFC) is a joint venture between Russian companies - United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) and Irkut Corp, each with 25 per cent stake– and EADS Elbe Flugzeugwerke GmbH (EFW) 32 per cent and Airbus 18 per cent.
On 22 March 2007 European aerospace and defence group EADS and Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) signed four agreements which further specify cooperation programmes under discussion between the partners. The agreements are based on the findings of a top-level working group which has been set up end of last year. One agreement provided for the establishment of a joint venture located in Dresden, which will have the task of setting up freighter conversion centres for the Airbus A320 Family at Lukhovitsy near Moscow in Russia and the German site."
Anyone with any thoughts.
Phil
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The report of 200 destroyed was probably from the guy who runs the stores, that may have been what was on the computer but in reality it was only 20.
The rest were CPX....
The report of 200 destroyed was probably from the guy who runs the stores, that may have been what was on the computer but in reality it was only 20.
The rest were CPX....
If it was Lukhovitsy (MiG production facility) and the MiG-29s and other Fulcrum types destroyed then it would be an even bigger story that would be hard to cover up. That would mean the Indian MiG-29K programme set back along with other Fulcrum export orders.
It appears that it is a Russian Naval Air logistics base and not an airfield.
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On the rumours of a nuclear weapons storage site. If it was a nuke storage facility it would have multi-layered fences and exhibit certain key characteristics.
See following website search.
imint and analysis soviet and russian nuclear weapons complexes - Google Search
Recent Russian report naming the destroyed logistics base by its depot number 2512.
Medvedev holds meeting on fire safety measures: Voice of Russia
'Medvedev holds meeting on fire safety measures
'Several senior Navy officers have been sacked by Russian President Dmitry Medvedev after a devastating fire occurred at a Kolomna naval base outside Moscow. The head of state reprimanded Navy Commander Admiral Vladimir Vysotsky accusing him of incompetence. Today, he delivered a speech at a Security Council meeting on additional fire safety measures for the country’s strategic facilities. Ilya Kharlamov reports.
The President emphasized that the fire in the Moscow region has entailed drastic consequences. A preliminary investigation of the incident has already been carried out within the country’s Defense Ministry.
The incident stems from the non-fulfillment of service duties and criminal negligence. It is unclear where commanders of the Kolomna were when the fire occurred. Therefore, I’ve made this decision on the Navy leadership. I have reprimanded Navy Chief Admiral Vysotsky and his deputy Alexander Tatarinov for incompetence, sacked Deputy Chief of the Logistic Support System Sergeyev, Navy Aviation Chief Kuklev, deputy chief of naval aviation Colonel Rasskazov, and the chief of base 2512. ......'
President of Russia
'Regarding the Navy’s senior command: Navy Commander in Chief Admiral [Vladimir] Vysotsky is reprimanded for incompetence; Naval Chief of Staff and First Deputy Commander in Chief [Alexander] Tatarinov is reprimanded for incompetence; Deputy Chief of Naval Logistics and Support [Sergei] Sergeyev is dismissed; Chief of Naval Aviation [Nikolai] Kuklev is dismissed; Deputy Chief of Naval Aviation Colonel [Sergei] Rasskazov is dismissed; Acting Deputy Chief of Naval Aviation Logistics and Support [Mikhail] Monakov is dismissed; the commander of base 2512 is dismissed.'
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It appears that it is a Russian Naval Air logistics base and not an airfield.
See following map
Wikimapia - Let's describe the whole world!
On the rumours of a nuclear weapons storage site. If it was a nuke storage facility it would have multi-layered fences and exhibit certain key characteristics.
See following website search.
imint and analysis soviet and russian nuclear weapons complexes - Google Search
Recent Russian report naming the destroyed logistics base by its depot number 2512.
Medvedev holds meeting on fire safety measures: Voice of Russia
'Medvedev holds meeting on fire safety measures
'Several senior Navy officers have been sacked by Russian President Dmitry Medvedev after a devastating fire occurred at a Kolomna naval base outside Moscow. The head of state reprimanded Navy Commander Admiral Vladimir Vysotsky accusing him of incompetence. Today, he delivered a speech at a Security Council meeting on additional fire safety measures for the country’s strategic facilities. Ilya Kharlamov reports.
The President emphasized that the fire in the Moscow region has entailed drastic consequences. A preliminary investigation of the incident has already been carried out within the country’s Defense Ministry.
The incident stems from the non-fulfillment of service duties and criminal negligence. It is unclear where commanders of the Kolomna were when the fire occurred. Therefore, I’ve made this decision on the Navy leadership. I have reprimanded Navy Chief Admiral Vysotsky and his deputy Alexander Tatarinov for incompetence, sacked Deputy Chief of the Logistic Support System Sergeyev, Navy Aviation Chief Kuklev, deputy chief of naval aviation Colonel Rasskazov, and the chief of base 2512. ......'
President of Russia
'Regarding the Navy’s senior command: Navy Commander in Chief Admiral [Vladimir] Vysotsky is reprimanded for incompetence; Naval Chief of Staff and First Deputy Commander in Chief [Alexander] Tatarinov is reprimanded for incompetence; Deputy Chief of Naval Logistics and Support [Sergei] Sergeyev is dismissed; Chief of Naval Aviation [Nikolai] Kuklev is dismissed; Deputy Chief of Naval Aviation Colonel [Sergei] Rasskazov is dismissed; Acting Deputy Chief of Naval Aviation Logistics and Support [Mikhail] Monakov is dismissed; the commander of base 2512 is dismissed.'
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On the rumours of a nuclear weapons storage site. If it was a nuke storage facility it would have multi-layered fences and exhibit certain key characteristics.
English Russia Abandoned Russian Polar Nuclear Lighthouses
says it all really
Then, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the unattended automatic lighthouses did it job for some time, but after some time they collapsed too. Mostly as a result of the hunt for the metals like copper and other stuff which were performed by the looters. They didn’t care or maybe even didn’t know the meaning of the “Radioactive Danger” sign and ignored them, breaking in and destroying the equipment. It sounds creepy but they broke into the reactors too causing all the structures to become radioactively polluted
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Getting back on the original story. 200 h/c and a/c for USD 670,000,000? That's about USD 3,300,000 each. Why do we pay about EUR 60,000,000 for one Typhoon? 
"Buy one russian jet and get additional 19 for spare parts!"
"Buy one russian jet and get additional 19 for spare parts!"
News footage from outside the Kolomna Naval logistics base.
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From the video it appears that the area filmed is the base entrance. Note road and distinctive small gate house.
Cross hair over gate house building
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From the video it appears that the area filmed is the base entrance. Note road and distinctive small gate house.
Cross hair over gate house building
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They just get the US to pay for a lot of it! The US DoD has invested a lot of money in securing Russian nuclear weapons storage facilities. Everything from fencing to secure containers.
Securing the Bomb: Securing Nuclear Warheads and Materials: Nuclear Warhead Security Upgrades
US Official Says Mayak Warhead Storage Facility to Open in November - Bellona
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as if they would go to all that trouble
Securing the Bomb: Securing Nuclear Warheads and Materials: Nuclear Warhead Security Upgrades
US Official Says Mayak Warhead Storage Facility to Open in November - Bellona
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