CF 18 down, Lethbridge, Alberta.
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as for following the aircraft int the fireball, this seems a pretty regular occurence
YouTube - You don't see this every day
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Quite interesting, appropriate even that the music playing in the background of the Canuckdian CF-18 crash video was 'Staying Alive'!
And, there's no way that jet was anywhere near its Alpha limits...may have been a little slow though...
And, there's no way that jet was anywhere near its Alpha limits...may have been a little slow though...
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WWW,
Thanks for the great read. I think the orders today are written based on simliar experiences from the past, making it harder for us to go places we just don't want to be.
You said, "The motivation was never to stun the crowd, it was always that you had to/needed to show your peers that you could "cut the mustard"". Couldn't agree more. I was flying a helicopter display at a small town event. Other helicopters were there, including some friends from the past. At the point in the program where I was expected to "demonstrate the manoeuvrability of the helicopter", the normal hovering, sidewards, rearwards flight was straightforward, but I was restricted from my normal routine of more difficult sequences so I put together a few manoeuvres that my friends would admire. (??) After I landed, they were somewhere between mildly impressed and completely indifferent. However, once we met with the crowds, there were many highly enthusiastic responses to my show, such as "wow, you didn't move at all during the hover" and "I had no idea you could fly backwards".
Lesson learned was that the target audience is easy to impress with many of the normal manoeuvres. What's hard and dangerous for us may not add anything to the enjoyment of the actual audience.
Cheers,
Matthew.
Thanks for the great read. I think the orders today are written based on simliar experiences from the past, making it harder for us to go places we just don't want to be.
You said, "The motivation was never to stun the crowd, it was always that you had to/needed to show your peers that you could "cut the mustard"". Couldn't agree more. I was flying a helicopter display at a small town event. Other helicopters were there, including some friends from the past. At the point in the program where I was expected to "demonstrate the manoeuvrability of the helicopter", the normal hovering, sidewards, rearwards flight was straightforward, but I was restricted from my normal routine of more difficult sequences so I put together a few manoeuvres that my friends would admire. (??) After I landed, they were somewhere between mildly impressed and completely indifferent. However, once we met with the crowds, there were many highly enthusiastic responses to my show, such as "wow, you didn't move at all during the hover" and "I had no idea you could fly backwards".
Lesson learned was that the target audience is easy to impress with many of the normal manoeuvres. What's hard and dangerous for us may not add anything to the enjoyment of the actual audience.
Cheers,
Matthew.
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Brian Bews
Forgive me for sticking my head in on a military stream but I just wanted to confirm Bews wasn't injured badly. It seems he was quite alright -
"Bews was treated at a hospital for a sore back and scraped arms and released Friday."
Durango Herald News, Cutting it close
"Bews was treated at a hospital for a sore back and scraped arms and released Friday."
Durango Herald News, Cutting it close
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... there's no way that jet was anywhere near its Alpha limits...may have been a little slow though...(-FoxtrotAlpha18)
...then why did it fall out of the sky ?
Some CF-18 crash history:
CF_18_Hornet
For Delaney T:
A previous post noted that it might have been missing one of its two engines at precisely the wrong time. Take a look at the large photo with the pilot in the parachute and the rockets from the seat firing.
The nozzles of one engine are much further open than the other. I would not have noticed it had he not mentioned it. Though the actual issue will likely come out in time, if you are at a high AoA turn under G, losing an engine/thrust in the middle of that can make for a quick departure from controlled flight.
A previous post noted that it might have been missing one of its two engines at precisely the wrong time. Take a look at the large photo with the pilot in the parachute and the rockets from the seat firing.
The nozzles of one engine are much further open than the other. I would not have noticed it had he not mentioned it. Though the actual issue will likely come out in time, if you are at a high AoA turn under G, losing an engine/thrust in the middle of that can make for a quick departure from controlled flight.
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Typical American Aircraft types, just like their movies, everything has to end in a big fireball..............
Meanwhile back in the UK another sequence
Tiger Moth crash landing at Headcorn | Airplane-Pictures.net
Meanwhile back in the UK another sequence
Tiger Moth crash landing at Headcorn | Airplane-Pictures.net
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Any landing you can walk away from is a good one; if they can use the aircraft again, it was an excellent one!
That was a good landing!
Some excellent quality pics on here - and glad that everyone has survived largely unscratched.
That was a good landing!
Some excellent quality pics on here - and glad that everyone has survived largely unscratched.
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Originally Posted by Ali B
Any landing you can walk away from is a good one; if they can use the aircraft again, it was an excellent one!
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Originally Posted by DelaneyT
...then why did it fall out of the sky ?
As the "Old Mice" used to say....they will make saucepans out of them one day so there is no point in dying in them!
PS: you're supposed to go "Over The Hedge", not through it.
PS: you're supposed to go "Over The Hedge", not through it.
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In praise of M-B
In case you hadn't noticed, this clip YouTube - CF-18 Crash on Youtube shows the ejection sequence very clearly.
The canopy goes at about 75 degrees AOB and the seat leaves at about 80 degrees and by this time the jet has a definite downward vector......though obviously it is hard to assess the sink rate. All of this would have put the pilot outside the seat envelope of many earlier generation seats, viz the Pt. Mugu F4 tragedy in 2002.
What is different here is that the seat is fitted with gyros so that the rocket's thrust is fired assymetrically so that the seat turns in flight to point "up". The vector changes very clearly.
Well done M-B.
The canopy goes at about 75 degrees AOB and the seat leaves at about 80 degrees and by this time the jet has a definite downward vector......though obviously it is hard to assess the sink rate. All of this would have put the pilot outside the seat envelope of many earlier generation seats, viz the Pt. Mugu F4 tragedy in 2002.
What is different here is that the seat is fitted with gyros so that the rocket's thrust is fired assymetrically so that the seat turns in flight to point "up". The vector changes very clearly.
Well done M-B.
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