RIAT 2010: What time is F-22 flying on Sun??
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The American commentator for the F-22?? Was he a Master Sergeant rank?? Sounds like the one that did the F-15C display talk at RAIT in 04. He was comical (dumb yank). "Now Major Kong will show off his inflated ego!" 
I liked the comentator for the Hungarian (Mig 29 or SU 27? Can't remember) pilot.."This pilot is one of the best display pilots of Fast Jets in the world.. He wins competitions.." Then the flying was left to explain itself..
I liked the comentator for the Hungarian (Mig 29 or SU 27? Can't remember) pilot.."This pilot is one of the best display pilots of Fast Jets in the world.. He wins competitions.." Then the flying was left to explain itself..
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Yep, the missus thought the Patrouille de France the best display, helped by the sun breaking through the clouds as they took off of course!
As an uneducated layman, I couldn't see what the F22 did that the Hornets didnt do earlier that morning? Yes its an attractive looking plane, yes the commentary was cringingly hilarious...but...hmmmm. You obviously need an airmans trained eye.
Great show, will be back next year
As an uneducated layman, I couldn't see what the F22 did that the Hornets didnt do earlier that morning? Yes its an attractive looking plane, yes the commentary was cringingly hilarious...but...hmmmm. You obviously need an airmans trained eye.
Great show, will be back next year
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Mr Narvik,
The Master Sergeant was a model of restraint compared to the commentator for the Turkish Stars, but nowhere near as funny!
Don't forget the Hornet driver would have been, as our Australian colleagues would say "giving it the berries" where as the F22 pilot would have been seriously sandbagging to avoid Uncle Ivan and his mates seeing what it could really do!
Myself I enjoyed the King Air Display, but a shame the sun didn't come out for him like it did last year.
The Master Sergeant was a model of restraint compared to the commentator for the Turkish Stars, but nowhere near as funny!
Don't forget the Hornet driver would have been, as our Australian colleagues would say "giving it the berries" where as the F22 pilot would have been seriously sandbagging to avoid Uncle Ivan and his mates seeing what it could really do!
Myself I enjoyed the King Air Display, but a shame the sun didn't come out for him like it did last year.
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A great airshow again from RIAT
Seeing the F-22, and for that matter other US planes that have been around much longer (F-18, C-17), and comparing these with the equivalent European efforts makes one see that the 'capability gap' is widening. (I could wait and see what the A400M can do in 2 years time. )
The F-22 was an amazing display, and whereas the Russians can do similar things with their Su-35s and so on, there is every reason to think that the F-22 is a full military capability whose vehicle performance is matched by equivalent combat capability and survivability.
Can one imagine the RIAT or Farnborough display of 20years time? There will be CTOL and STOVL F-35s vying with perhaps an export F-22. And perhaps also similarly competing US UCAV options, which can already be seen in their early stages today. What will European manufacturers be able to offer at that point? Eurofighter with a new radar? An 'ISTAR' UAV or two perhaps?
At least there is reason to think that Airbus will still be dining at the 'top table'.
Seeing the F-22, and for that matter other US planes that have been around much longer (F-18, C-17), and comparing these with the equivalent European efforts makes one see that the 'capability gap' is widening. (I could wait and see what the A400M can do in 2 years time. )
The F-22 was an amazing display, and whereas the Russians can do similar things with their Su-35s and so on, there is every reason to think that the F-22 is a full military capability whose vehicle performance is matched by equivalent combat capability and survivability.
Can one imagine the RIAT or Farnborough display of 20years time? There will be CTOL and STOVL F-35s vying with perhaps an export F-22. And perhaps also similarly competing US UCAV options, which can already be seen in their early stages today. What will European manufacturers be able to offer at that point? Eurofighter with a new radar? An 'ISTAR' UAV or two perhaps?
At least there is reason to think that Airbus will still be dining at the 'top table'.
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Ok, I'll have a go (I'm sure others will provide more "proper" names for some of the manouevers):
- a loop that was nearly tight enough to be called a summersault
- a climb to zero speed, with a yaw/point and fly-away in level attitude at the top
- a climb to zero speed followed by a (long) tailslide
- controlled descent in almost flat attitude with almost no forward airspeed
May have forgotten a few, but hope that'll do for starters.
Not to say the Super Hornet wasn't pretty impressive as well.
Other highlights (there were lots):
- Chinook and GR4 Role demo's
- A400M (impressive for such a new/low hours machine IMHO)
- Dutch F16 and AH64 combo - just for being something different
- BoB set piece - well done RIAT for getting the Mil and civvy-owned warbirds all in the same piece of sky at once (remember a time when this might not have been possible).
Had a great day, thanks to all who continue to make it happen.
As an uneducated layman, I couldn't see what the F22 did that the Hornets didnt do earlier that morning?
- a loop that was nearly tight enough to be called a summersault
- a climb to zero speed, with a yaw/point and fly-away in level attitude at the top
- a climb to zero speed followed by a (long) tailslide
- controlled descent in almost flat attitude with almost no forward airspeed
May have forgotten a few, but hope that'll do for starters.
Not to say the Super Hornet wasn't pretty impressive as well.
Other highlights (there were lots):
- Chinook and GR4 Role demo's
- A400M (impressive for such a new/low hours machine IMHO)
- Dutch F16 and AH64 combo - just for being something different
- BoB set piece - well done RIAT for getting the Mil and civvy-owned warbirds all in the same piece of sky at once (remember a time when this might not have been possible).
Had a great day, thanks to all who continue to make it happen.
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I was slightly disappointed that we had no RN or AAC aircraft flying and no parachute display teams the UK but I fully understand you've got other things on your mind.
Surprised the Blades weren't flying either to be honest, I think they're a lot better than the Jordan display team.
Surprised the Blades weren't flying either to be honest, I think they're a lot better than the Jordan display team.
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Did you all forget to take your cameras with you? Interesting comments if you were there to see it, but meaningless to those of us on the other side of the world who weren't there.
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Why the comparisons between A400M and C17? Different beasts - one's turboprop powered to start with.
Raptor was excellent - always had a soft spot for the Dutch F-16 display.
E6B Mercury on the static line was 'unusual'
Raptor was excellent - always had a soft spot for the Dutch F-16 display.
E6B Mercury on the static line was 'unusual'
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I did take a couple of cameras, but with no external references in frame, the feats performed by the F22 would be meaningless. It turned 180 degrees nearly within its own length, but this will not show on video properly.
Also I only had a standard memory card, so would not have had enough memory to record the slow flying speed of the A400
Back to being serious, did anyone else think the F22 was flying slower than 90 knots during its high alpha slow speed pass?
I must also say, that with one exception (from an oxygen thieving family) every person I heard near to me thought the French display team were far better than the reds!
I did take a couple of cameras, but with no external references in frame, the feats performed by the F22 would be meaningless. It turned 180 degrees nearly within its own length, but this will not show on video properly.
Also I only had a standard memory card, so would not have had enough memory to record the slow flying speed of the A400
Back to being serious, did anyone else think the F22 was flying slower than 90 knots during its high alpha slow speed pass?
I must also say, that with one exception (from an oxygen thieving family) every person I heard near to me thought the French display team were far better than the reds!
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Must have been the same commentator for the F.22 as at Oshkosh 3 years ago. Awsomely awful. I was rather surprised he didn't fall off his commentary platform, or have a heart attack from over enthusing. 3 years ago, he described it as 'ten years ahead of anything else in the sky' Oh, really. I showed a picture of a Typhoon to the person next to me when I heard that. His comment, 'we a'int never heard of that airplane over here Land of the free and land of misleading information.[No offence intended] Yes, it does fly very slowly etc., but is flying very slowly of great value in ai air battle?
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Has the Typhoon ever been demonstrated at U.S. airshows?
If not, is it unreasonable to think that American audiences might not be familiar with a new-ish and still in low numbers produced fighter?
I know a gent who spent part of his career in the now defunct SAC. Never saw, much less heard of the Vulcan, indeed, any of the V-Force until he was long retired.
If not, is it unreasonable to think that American audiences might not be familiar with a new-ish and still in low numbers produced fighter?
I know a gent who spent part of his career in the now defunct SAC. Never saw, much less heard of the Vulcan, indeed, any of the V-Force until he was long retired.
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Your comment about the SAC member makes my point. Without seeing an F.22 over this side of the pond, I suspect that every English aircraft enthusiast worth his salt knew what an F.22 was before it visited these shores. The guy I showed the picture to at Oshkosh was an enthusiast.
Your comment about the SAC member makes my point. Without seeing an F.22 over this side of the pond, I suspect that every English aircraft enthusiast worth his salt knew what an F.22 was before it visited these shores. The guy I showed the picture to at Oshkosh was an enthusiast.
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Call me a heathen, no doubt, but many times over the years I have thoughts the Red "out-classed" by other display teams, e.g. last year at RIAT (Sunday ) I thought the Frecce Tricolori beat them hands down, and I certainly back the view that the PDF "did" them this year
And.........at Waddington 2 weeks ago, I thought the Turkish all-stars also "bettered" them, and I think that was the first time I've seen another display team replicate "Reds" manouevres
But, if this was 1610 not 2010 no doubt I'd be burned at the stake - the Reds are brilliant but, like dog mess "they get everywhere" and are seen at so many UK events a year, and by so many people ( events that the FC, PDF, TAS etc etc etc DON'T appear at) that I suspect they have become a "national treasure" almost by default
Oh, and as for the F-22 - commentary just pathetic ( but no worse that the 15-minute stream of "patriotism" that accompanied the F-15 at RIAT in 2007 ) but clearly an exceptional aircraft, albeit not as outright attractive as the Typhoon
( and what a boring, boring, display THAT was, but that's another story )
And.........at Waddington 2 weeks ago, I thought the Turkish all-stars also "bettered" them, and I think that was the first time I've seen another display team replicate "Reds" manouevres
But, if this was 1610 not 2010 no doubt I'd be burned at the stake - the Reds are brilliant but, like dog mess "they get everywhere" and are seen at so many UK events a year, and by so many people ( events that the FC, PDF, TAS etc etc etc DON'T appear at) that I suspect they have become a "national treasure" almost by default
Oh, and as for the F-22 - commentary just pathetic ( but no worse that the 15-minute stream of "patriotism" that accompanied the F-15 at RIAT in 2007
) but clearly an exceptional aircraft, albeit not as outright attractive as the Typhoon ( and what a boring, boring, display THAT was, but that's another story )
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I overheard 3 of the USN E-6 Mercury crew while watching the RAF Typhoon display on Saturday morning at Fairford describing it's display as ,wait for it, "Awesome !"
So is a Typhoon as good as a Raptor ?
So is a Typhoon as good as a Raptor ?
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Mach the Knife.. (like you remember the song.. not) without the "fat plane rubbish" no wars could be fought, no humanitarian aid would ever happen and many millions of people's lives would be very much the poorer, so shut the f*** up and get real.