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That my old flower IMHO, is a load of bolleaux!! Hats should be worn all the time in doors. I think this confusion has arisen somewhere in the training system when someone must have hinted that you should take your hat off indoors and then everyone (and subsequent generations) seemed to decide that they didn't have to wear hats indoors. It has irked me for a long, long time that Service people took their hats off when entering a building whether it be SHQ or Tescos - I think it is wrong and unmilitary. For example if you entered an Officer's office, the first thing you should do is salute the officer, but you can only do that when wearing your hat. So as far as I know hats should be worn indoors - end of.
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e. Carnival processions and other occasions when the reputation or political impartiality of the Armed Forces might be brought into question (e.g. political meetings).
Unless you are gay, or a lesbian, or a transgender, or a transexual or unsure of your sexuality, and then wearing service dress to parade your sexuality is positively encouraged (and funded!).
O.F.F.S......
Ps saw Abbo in the RAF news leading the pink parade.....'by the left, mince' apparently there were some embarassed faces when hats were dropped..........
Unless you are gay, or a lesbian, or a transgender, or a transexual or unsure of your sexuality, and then wearing service dress to parade your sexuality is positively encouraged (and funded!).
O.F.F.S......
Ps saw Abbo in the RAF news leading the pink parade.....'by the left, mince' apparently there were some embarassed faces when hats were dropped..........
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From the USA...Last time I was in ATL Delta offered free access to the Crown Room for all active duty military in uniform, CAP OR NOT!!!!!
When I was still flying, as an Int'l Captain, any military service person in or out of uniform got the "bump"to the front, if there was space...if not, the CC were directed (by me) to treat them as First Class (i.e.-free drinks, upfront meals and whatever other goodies were available)
As an aside, I own a bar in a state where the drinking age is 21...Any service person coming in heading overseas gets their first drink free...REGARDLESS OF THEIR AGE!!!!!
We need to support our troops...PERIOD!!!!!
When I was still flying, as an Int'l Captain, any military service person in or out of uniform got the "bump"to the front, if there was space...if not, the CC were directed (by me) to treat them as First Class (i.e.-free drinks, upfront meals and whatever other goodies were available)
As an aside, I own a bar in a state where the drinking age is 21...Any service person coming in heading overseas gets their first drink free...REGARDLESS OF THEIR AGE!!!!!
We need to support our troops...PERIOD!!!!!
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You now see the RN in uniform all over the place. Waterloo Station is full of them but the only problem is that no-one seems to have told the more junior ones how to comport themselves. The last one I saw (a Lt) was scruffy as hell, no hat in sight, shoes that had never seen a coat of polish and he was pretty hefty for his age (looked like 25ish).
Come on RN, smarten your people up!
Come on RN, smarten your people up!
I thought that uniform was OK on internal (ie. UK flights) and not for international flights...
BTW, I wear my uniform into London on the tube and train quite a bit. No probs, whatsoever. I tend to wear my hat if standing and walking, and then take it off if sitting down (unless I feel to give up a seat to the old, disabled or pregnant).
LJ
BTW, I wear my uniform into London on the tube and train quite a bit. No probs, whatsoever. I tend to wear my hat if standing and walking, and then take it off if sitting down (unless I feel to give up a seat to the old, disabled or pregnant).
LJ
For example if you entered an Officer's office, the first thing you should do is salute the officer, but you can only do that when wearing your hat. So as far as I know hats should be worn indoors - end of.
Please tell me you are not including the RN in this blanket statement.
If you saluted on entering an officer's office in a ship or shore establishment, he would think that you were taking the proverbial!
The last one I saw (a Lt) was scruffy as hell, no hat in sight, shoes that had never seen a coat of polish and he was pretty hefty for his age (looked like 25ish).
If no "hat in sight", then quite possibly HMRC rather than RN. Incidentally, naval officers and ratings wear caps, not hats.
Jack
Please tell me you are not including the RN in this blanket statement.
If you saluted on entering an officer's office in a ship or shore establishment, he would think that you were taking the proverbial!The last one I saw (a Lt) was scruffy as hell, no hat in sight, shoes that had never seen a coat of polish and he was pretty hefty for his age (looked like 25ish).
If no "hat in sight", then quite possibly HMRC rather than RN. Incidentally, naval officers and ratings wear caps, not hats.
Jack
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Yes Unioin Jack old chap, but not in the RN. Caps should not be worn indoors apart from Court Martials and other formal occaisions. Indeed it was only the fact that he was wearing his cap showed that he was Navy. Ok the curl is a bit of give away but air France have those. Customs do not look like naval officers any more, in case you have not noticed. But, as I said before, how did airport security deal with him in GLA? Did he get treated as strictly as aircrew. Does he think it might be a good idea to wear a suit next time?
Yes Union Jack old chap, but not in the RN. Caps should not be worn indoors apart from Court Martials and other formal occaisions. Indeed it was only the fact that he was wearing his cap showed that he was Navy. Ok the curl is a bit of give away but air France have those.
Many thanks for your interesting response Double Dolphins, but I fear that you may be suffering from double vision, since my post was clearly in response to Posts 21 and 24, rather than to your man at Gatwick.
Customs do not look like naval officers any more, in case you have not noticed
Curiously enough, having worn an identical cap to your four ringer for a number of years, and dolphins to boot, I have a pretty good idea what NOs should look like!
Just to cheer you up a bit, I fully concur with your view on the wearing of caps, as you might indeed have deduced from my response to Dundiggin' at Post 28, namely "Please tell me you are not including the RN in this blanket statement"
Jack
PS Pheasant - "Definitely RN" Then I'm very sorry to hear it
Many thanks for your interesting response Double Dolphins, but I fear that you may be suffering from double vision, since my post was clearly in response to Posts 21 and 24, rather than to your man at Gatwick.
Customs do not look like naval officers any more, in case you have not noticed
Curiously enough, having worn an identical cap to your four ringer for a number of years, and dolphins to boot, I have a pretty good idea what NOs should look like!
Just to cheer you up a bit, I fully concur with your view on the wearing of caps, as you might indeed have deduced from my response to Dundiggin' at Post 28, namely "Please tell me you are not including the RN in this blanket statement"
Jack
PS Pheasant - "Definitely RN" Then I'm very sorry to hear it
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Military in uniform=thanks!
As a former commander with a US carrier, open first class seats on my A319/320 were filled by men and women in uniform with a grateful "Thank you for your service!"
I took great pride in walking to the back of the aircraft, when the occasion arose, to PERSONALLY invite them to First Class.
I NEVER had ANYONE complain. Nor would I have entertained complaints.
I took great pride in walking to the back of the aircraft, when the occasion arose, to PERSONALLY invite them to First Class.
I NEVER had ANYONE complain. Nor would I have entertained complaints.
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So why don't the military guys based in the MOD wear uniform all the time?
Because if something is not used, then it is not needed, and in this case I refer to a clothing allowance....
Because if something is not used, then it is not needed, and in this case I refer to a clothing allowance....
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Just for you:
AP 1358, CHAP 1
0126. When wearing uniform outdoors, on or off base, headdress is to be worn by all personnel in the following manner:
a. No 1 SD Hat. The No 1 SD hat is to be worn so that the bottom of the hat is 25mm above the eyebrows, the front of the hat level and the badge positioned centrally. The chinstrap is to be taut and positioned to cover the blue seam between the hatband and peak. RAF Police personnel of the rank of WO and below wear a white-topped SD Hat when wearing all variations of No 1 or No 2 SD. The No 1 SD hat is never worn with CS 95.
b. Forage Cap. The forage cap, which is an optional extra at own expense, is worn tilted to the right so that that front edge is approximately 25mm above the eyebrows and the side edge is approximately 12mm above the right ear. The material is blue/grey worsted barathea of standard styling for wg cdrs and below; for gp capts and air officers the cap is piped in Minerva blue. The forage cap is never worn with CS 95.
c. Beret. The beret is to be worn so that the black band is horizontal around the head and 25mm above the eyebrows. The surplus material is to be pulled down over the right ear and the badge clearly displayed in a position directly above the left eye. The adjustment ribbon is to be secured with a knot and the surplus ends hidden from sight.
d. Turbans. Officers and airmen of Sikh religion may wear turbans of the approved Service pattern and colour, instead of uniform headdress. The appropriate cap badge is to be fitted centrally on the turban with its base at the apex of the triangle of the headband. When necessary to wear specialist headgear such as combat helmets or flying helmets the turban has to be removed and the patka (mini turban) may be worn.
e. Hijabs. Muslim females may wear Hijabs of the approved pattern and colour under their uniform headdress except when operational, training or health and safety considerations dictate otherwise. It is worn without cap badge under the hat outdoors and without hat indoors. The hijab is to be worn in such a way that rank slides are visible at all times.
Just for you:
AP 1358, CHAP 1
0126. When wearing uniform outdoors, on or off base, headdress is to be worn by all personnel in the following manner:
a. No 1 SD Hat. The No 1 SD hat is to be worn so that the bottom of the hat is 25mm above the eyebrows, the front of the hat level and the badge positioned centrally. The chinstrap is to be taut and positioned to cover the blue seam between the hatband and peak. RAF Police personnel of the rank of WO and below wear a white-topped SD Hat when wearing all variations of No 1 or No 2 SD. The No 1 SD hat is never worn with CS 95.
b. Forage Cap. The forage cap, which is an optional extra at own expense, is worn tilted to the right so that that front edge is approximately 25mm above the eyebrows and the side edge is approximately 12mm above the right ear. The material is blue/grey worsted barathea of standard styling for wg cdrs and below; for gp capts and air officers the cap is piped in Minerva blue. The forage cap is never worn with CS 95.
c. Beret. The beret is to be worn so that the black band is horizontal around the head and 25mm above the eyebrows. The surplus material is to be pulled down over the right ear and the badge clearly displayed in a position directly above the left eye. The adjustment ribbon is to be secured with a knot and the surplus ends hidden from sight.
d. Turbans. Officers and airmen of Sikh religion may wear turbans of the approved Service pattern and colour, instead of uniform headdress. The appropriate cap badge is to be fitted centrally on the turban with its base at the apex of the triangle of the headband. When necessary to wear specialist headgear such as combat helmets or flying helmets the turban has to be removed and the patka (mini turban) may be worn.
e. Hijabs. Muslim females may wear Hijabs of the approved pattern and colour under their uniform headdress except when operational, training or health and safety considerations dictate otherwise. It is worn without cap badge under the hat outdoors and without hat indoors. The hijab is to be worn in such a way that rank slides are visible at all times.
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Naval Four Ringer
Incidentally, naval officers and ratings wear caps, not hats.
Sideshow Bob - interesting stuff, although none of it applies to me any more. I'm amazed how many on here can't grasp the difference between "indoors" as in walking round the squadron offices and "indoors" as in walking across the concourse at Paddington. Seems common sense to me!
