Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

Red Arrows Banned

Wikiposts
Search
Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

Red Arrows Banned

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 13th Jul 2010, 13:37
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Southampton
Posts: 859
Received 48 Likes on 23 Posts
Red Arrows Banned

The Red Arrows have ben banned from appearing in Dartmouth because H&S bods think that vibrations might cause further damage to buildings involved in a fire.

Now health and safety chiefs ban Red Arrows display over vibration fears | Mail Online

Hmm
Saintsman is online now  
Old 13th Jul 2010, 14:49
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 33,068
Received 2,939 Likes on 1,252 Posts
Didn't stop the Luftwaffe visiting London night after night during the Blitz....... suppose we didn't have H&S bods in them days.......
NutLoose is online now  
Old 13th Jul 2010, 15:06
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Somewhere Sunny
Posts: 1,601
Received 14 Likes on 8 Posts
Ding ding!

All aboard the Outrage Bus! First Stop Dartmouth Town Council.

Ding ding!
Whenurhappy is offline  
Old 13th Jul 2010, 15:11
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Surrey
Age: 64
Posts: 39
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Don't you just love the "Yellow Jacket Brigade" - always ready to screw up a good show given half a chance............
Muzzey is offline  
Old 13th Jul 2010, 15:17
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: retirementland
Age: 79
Posts: 769
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
In this case, considering the existing damage to buildings, this is a pertfectly sound risk based decision.
Shell Management is offline  
Old 13th Jul 2010, 15:31
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: bristol
Age: 56
Posts: 1,051
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Whenurhappy

Quick, turn off the outrage bus engine!

The reds have not been banned, but there is simply going to be a risk assessment to see what if any damage may be caused (as per the full article, in contradiction of the head line).

I do love these Daily Mail headlines though.

This is just like their recent head line stating that because of Muslims, a local swimming pool had to 'black out' ALL of its windows.............

Which of course was actually referring to a swimming pool that had fitted transparent covers to some of its ground floor windows, to REPLACE cloth ones which had been there previously, and had got damaged. The action was taken as routine maintenance, and also due to complaints from all sections of swimming pool users, from women to men who felt embarrassed in tight swimming trunks!

Still, I cant complain.....This is after all the first 'reds banned' story I have read this year
barnstormer1968 is offline  
Old 13th Jul 2010, 15:48
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Devon UK
Posts: 155
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Gratuitous Reds shot. Dartmouth a few years ago.

I do enjoy a display where you can look down on the aircraft.

Vitesse is offline  
Old 13th Jul 2010, 16:05
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: SW England
Age: 77
Posts: 3,896
Received 16 Likes on 4 Posts
Nice pic, Vitesse.

I have it on VERY good authority* that in lieu of the Red Arrows display the H & S bod is going to be placed in the stocks on the quayside and be pelted with rotten fruit.





* a bloke in the pub!
Tankertrashnav is offline  
Old 13th Jul 2010, 16:06
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Devon UK
Posts: 155
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
This too.

Vitesse is offline  
Old 13th Jul 2010, 16:18
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Devon UK
Posts: 155
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks TTN.

Scans from prints from real film.

The building inspector who's covering my extension build is slightly involved with the damaged buildings. Said there's something like 20 owners and didn't know if they were all insured!

Last edited by Vitesse; 13th Jul 2010 at 16:33. Reason: shoddy inglish, innit
Vitesse is offline  
Old 13th Jul 2010, 16:28
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: West Sussex
Posts: 1,771
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Risk Assesment my arse !

In the time I spent at BAe, apart from 1 hired in pilot I never felt at risk in the air, but was nearly killed several times by the building works types !

My sailing club near Hayling Island, Hants' was subject to a lot of Luftwaffe attention in WWII, largely due to a sophisticated system of British decoys - fires and radio - to get them away from Portsmouth.

An officious little newcomer ( who I'm sure would pay good money to have a flashing light on his hard hat ) said we ought to do a Risk Assesment for working on the moorings; while I agreed no-one should go out alone, the bombs themselves are not a problem but the craters leave dangerous soft mud - I could only reply " well we're walking on tons of unexploded ordnance, how are you going to factor that in then ?! "

At which point he shut up...

BTW at Tangmere Museum ( which I'm nothing to do with ) there's a good set-up of a German beam guidance system, ( I forget the names ) and the British countermeasures; it's surprisingly difficult to get anywhere near the target.

Last edited by Double Zero; 13th Jul 2010 at 16:38.
Double Zero is offline  
Old 16th Jul 2010, 11:57
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: North Yorkshire
Age: 82
Posts: 641
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It would appear that the story about the Reds being banned from Dartmouth is spurious. Ben Murphy (Red 1) has put a rebuttal on their website.
Clockwork Mouse is offline  
Old 16th Jul 2010, 15:15
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 1,797
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Cannot confirm the outcome, though it sounds favourable; but: The residents did have big problems with the tree hugging residents complaining that historic buildings were indeed being threatened by the annual presence of the Red Arrows. Local TV reports covered the story this week with cobblers about vibrations being mentioned. I am surprised the Reds did not adopt the principal of "Whatever.." as many a seaside town would bend over backwards to have them display once a year.
Tiger_mate is offline  
Old 16th Jul 2010, 16:31
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: SW England
Age: 77
Posts: 3,896
Received 16 Likes on 4 Posts
many a seaside town would bend over backwards to have them display once a year.
Brighton springs to mind
Tankertrashnav is offline  
Old 16th Jul 2010, 17:18
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: R4808E
Posts: 422
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
vitesse
Liked the first pic, pity the steam train was running late.
Navy_Adversary is offline  
Old 16th Jul 2010, 17:57
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Devon UK
Posts: 155
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thank you NA.

I wonder if there is some 'Effin Safety rule about steam trains and the Red Arrows together?

That shot is at the limit for it's grain and my scanner's capabilities. The Chinook was much closer. It was also scarier than the Reds because it's manoeuvres looked so un-natural.
Vitesse is offline  
Old 16th Jul 2010, 18:59
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Low level
Age: 60
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
BTW at Tangmere Museum ( which I'm nothing to do with ) there's a good set-up of a German beam guidance system, ( I forget the names ) and the British countermeasures; it's surprisingly difficult to get anywhere near the target.
Headache (Knickebein) and aspirin?
boftr is offline  
Old 17th Jul 2010, 08:20
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: FL410
Posts: 383
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Well, if you will read the Daily Mail...
D O Guerrero is offline  
Old 17th Jul 2010, 08:22
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: West Sussex
Posts: 1,771
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
boftr,

Yes they're the system codenames I'd forgotten, thanks.

I'm amazed if Dartmouth Council ever even considered banning the Reds, as they're the highlight of the Darmouth Festival and usually heavily advertised.

I was once sailing past, must be a good 20 years ago now, on the day; it was a flat sea and great weather, and after the Reds did their burst, we were treated to a private display as they vyed to get lower, as they re-grouped.

I will admit there is one smashing pub in the town ( the Cherub ) - VERY old, and one can feel the stucture swaying slightly - without beer assistance !
Double Zero is offline  
Old 17th Jul 2010, 10:05
  #20 (permalink)  

Avoid imitations
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Wandering the FIR and cyberspace often at highly unsociable times
Posts: 14,576
Received 430 Likes on 227 Posts
The building involved was a Thai restaurant!! If they were so keen on preservation why wasn't it already a museum with no sources of ignition allowed inside?

Shutting the door, horse bolted, etc.
ShyTorque is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.