RAF Tornado joins Northumberland manhunt
Reported use of tazer, shock involutary muscle contraction on trigger finger = bang and a total headache cure. If a tazer was used and he did pull the trigger, is that manslaughter?
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Doubt it.
Probably find that that particular scenario was never part of the original home office trials. Lessons will be learnt , no doubt, and guidelines adjusted..........
Probably find that that particular scenario was never part of the original home office trials. Lessons will be learnt , no doubt, and guidelines adjusted..........
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Didn't the Chief Constable test this theory using a shotgun loaded with blanks, hence the hair ?
Sad that someone had to die, but if it saved one other life it was justified.
Didn't that lose its contract??
Sad that someone had to die, but if it saved one other life it was justified.
Don't forget the Dornier 228!
That all depends on the coroner and their jury, some smart lawyer may start digging around. We know electric shock causes involutary muscle contraction because take hold of a live wire you tend to grip the wire and not release that grip, so therefore it could be seen as reasonable that this may have happened in this instance. Electricians tend to use the back of their hand when unsure.
I suspect lessons 'will be learnt' blah blah blah. Plod and even HMG may have been in serious error if this proves to be the case. I feel a claim coming on.
I'm not anti police but just look at the pictures all around the media of the officer holding a tazer, not even looking in the right direction but at the camera with a stupid look on his face and they call that 'professional' I doubt it, wouldn't let him have a water pistol.
I suspect lessons 'will be learnt' blah blah blah. Plod and even HMG may have been in serious error if this proves to be the case. I feel a claim coming on.
I'm not anti police but just look at the pictures all around the media of the officer holding a tazer, not even looking in the right direction but at the camera with a stupid look on his face and they call that 'professional' I doubt it, wouldn't let him have a water pistol.
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air pig,
im not defending the officer here. and yes it is a pretty dreadful picture. but i do think that the media have selected this image to add some drama and spice.
the problem with a still image, as i am no doubt you are aware, is that it is just one frame. there is nothing to suggest what this officer was trying to do at the time. the photographer could have been making a noise, or inadvertently drawing attention to himself and the police in that area. the officer in question could have been trying to warn the photographer to get down, move away, etc, and just have been photographed mid warning.
i know there are way too many bad photos of me pulling ridiculous faces whilst mid conversation.
but it goes back to the photoshopped image of the swat team types aiming a weapon at a couple of old dears, you can get an image to fit pretty much anything you want it to.
2p over.
im not defending the officer here. and yes it is a pretty dreadful picture. but i do think that the media have selected this image to add some drama and spice.
the problem with a still image, as i am no doubt you are aware, is that it is just one frame. there is nothing to suggest what this officer was trying to do at the time. the photographer could have been making a noise, or inadvertently drawing attention to himself and the police in that area. the officer in question could have been trying to warn the photographer to get down, move away, etc, and just have been photographed mid warning.
i know there are way too many bad photos of me pulling ridiculous faces whilst mid conversation.
but it goes back to the photoshopped image of the swat team types aiming a weapon at a couple of old dears, you can get an image to fit pretty much anything you want it to.
2p over.
Indeed that is very true, but surely you would have had a cordon around the area, but then again the press are devious little sh1ts when trying for a story.
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I don't see any problem with the picture. It captures a split second. For all we know the officer was shouting "Fetch me daffodils." Though I suspect it was a shorter phrase.
They were dealing with a developing situation with an armed person who had shown he was willing to kill and was surrounded by others with arms. This isn't a situation that brooks discussion and debate.
They were dealing with a developing situation with an armed person who had shown he was willing to kill and was surrounded by others with arms. This isn't a situation that brooks discussion and debate.
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The officer may have been asking for daffodils, or saying something shorter BUT there are two officers looking at the camera (the one standing too), so you have two blokes not looking where they are aiming, but with their fingers still on the triggers!
As for the manslaughter debate, that would be a hard situation to get to IMHO(as Moat was mostly laid down), bearing in mind what tazer actually has to do once it strikes the target to actually give the shock.
As for the manslaughter debate, that would be a hard situation to get to IMHO(as Moat was mostly laid down), bearing in mind what tazer actually has to do once it strikes the target to actually give the shock.
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Wait For It.....
Can I suggest - as an industry professional, that in the time honoured tradition, we wait for the equivalent of the BOI/ AAIB report before we start the rumour and conjecture?
I am a qualified and operational FIC, and will await with interest to see what the IPCC finds. It was a tragic outcome on a number of levels, and there will be lessons learned from day one.
Lets just back off and see what transpires.
I am a qualified and operational FIC, and will await with interest to see what the IPCC finds. It was a tragic outcome on a number of levels, and there will be lessons learned from day one.
Lets just back off and see what transpires.
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I would kind of agree with waiting for any enquiry to find a verdict, but then IMHO the IPCC does not have the scope to deal with all of the circumstances leading to the outcome of this. I think this would benefit from a more holistic dept doing the enquiry, as this whole episode is likely to have begun long before the first shot was fired IMHO, unless of course the IPCC have control over the prison service or any medical professionals or social services involved in this case!
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See she was getting all coy with answering the press questions after it had ended, not exactly leaving her in a good light standing within camera shot and refusing to play ball...... all one could see was her hair above the wall....
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Thanks for that. Its a shame there wasn't a firearms Incident Officer at this incident. It may have ended more peacefully and then the Police would have been able to discover who killed Chris Brown
