Pregnant RAF officer awarded £16,000 for discrimination
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RAF's advertising that "And being married, or having kids, doesn’t have to stop you having the career you want."
100,000 strong - not so much a problem (but thankfully not when I was in). 40,000 strong and hot wars to fight - mucho problem. PC and equality is great until you start having problems with funding.
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RAF's advertising that "And being married, or having kids, doesn’t have to stop you having the career you want."
...and therein lies the problem.
100,000 strong - not so much a problem (but thankfully not when I was in). 40,000 strong and hot wars to fight - mucho problem. PC and equality is great until you start having problems with funding.
RAF's advertising that "And being married, or having kids, doesn’t have to stop you having the career you want."
...and therein lies the problem.
100,000 strong - not so much a problem (but thankfully not when I was in). 40,000 strong and hot wars to fight - mucho problem. PC and equality is great until you start having problems with funding.
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Well, there you have it! Swing that pendulum back one degree, and change the rules, how about this.
The RAF is an equal opportunities employer and investor in people etc etc.
It is delighted to offer the opportunity of maternity leave, but considers it unreasonable for the individual to gain experience and receive a fair appraisal during this period. Therefore the RAF offers individuals additional return of service beyond the normal exit date in order to redress the situation for both parties.
The RAF is an equal opportunities employer and investor in people etc etc.
It is delighted to offer the opportunity of maternity leave, but considers it unreasonable for the individual to gain experience and receive a fair appraisal during this period. Therefore the RAF offers individuals additional return of service beyond the normal exit date in order to redress the situation for both parties.
It is delighted to offer the opportunity of maternity leave, but considers it unreasonable for the individual to gain experience and receive a fair appraisal during this period.
Oh and she only looked pregnant for a set period...
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Fair cop, none taken.
I gave the example about my sister because this is a situation she has been in:-
A group of three women, interviewing women applicants for a position, positively, but discreetly discriminating against a woman of childbearing age.
I believe that is premier league irony.
The exact opposite of what was intended.
I gave the example about my sister because this is a situation she has been in:-
A group of three women, interviewing women applicants for a position, positively, but discreetly discriminating against a woman of childbearing age.
I believe that is premier league irony.
The exact opposite of what was intended.
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All they had to do to avoid this situation is ask the individual what she wanted to do. The FCO have female staff in the FI, they get asked if they want to stay in the FI, or return to the UK, it works for them.
Falklands operational det my arse, you've more chance of being killed by some jihadist or the Real IRA in the UK. Drinking det is a more apt description.
These types of cases will continue to arise until the RAF finally addresses the sexist views of a high proportion of its staff. You only need to read some of the sexist drivel on this thread to see that.
Finally how many of the 130 air officers are female? 2-3... At £16K they got away lightly.
Falklands operational det my arse, you've more chance of being killed by some jihadist or the Real IRA in the UK. Drinking det is a more apt description.
These types of cases will continue to arise until the RAF finally addresses the sexist views of a high proportion of its staff. You only need to read some of the sexist drivel on this thread to see that.
Finally how many of the 130 air officers are female? 2-3... At £16K they got away lightly.
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Perhaps some of this sage advice can be spared for this young lady
Pregnant, in debt and in the army!
Pregnant, in debt and in the army!
Not strictly relevant I know but somehow I can't help recalling the story of the widowed Admiral's innocent young daughter being told the night before her wedding to the Admiral's flag lieutenant, "I can't give you much premarital advice, Jane m'dear, but whatever you do, don't let young Rodney do it the other way round."
Totally mystified, she obediently accepts the advice, the marriage goes ahead, and shortly afterwards young Rodney is sent off on an extended group deployment. Eventually, he returns and Jane is so pleased to see him that she says on his first night home, "Rodders darling, as a special treat let's do it the other way round", to which he replies in shocked horror, "What? And fill the house with a whole lot of blooming kids?"
Jack
Totally mystified, she obediently accepts the advice, the marriage goes ahead, and shortly afterwards young Rodney is sent off on an extended group deployment. Eventually, he returns and Jane is so pleased to see him that she says on his first night home, "Rodders darling, as a special treat let's do it the other way round", to which he replies in shocked horror, "What? And fill the house with a whole lot of blooming kids?"
Jack
These types of cases will continue to arise until the RAF finally addresses the sexist views of a high proportion of its staff. You only need to read some of the sexist drivel on this thread to see that.
Finally how many of the 130 air officers are female? 2-3... At £16K they got away lightly
Finally how many of the 130 air officers are female? 2-3... At £16K they got away lightly
Maybe all the other women who may have been capable of achieving Air Rank left to have kids and didn't want to continue their careers?
Consider factors like that before filling the thread with ZANU-Labour wailings about 'sexism'. (You're not Harriet Harperson are you?)
The facts remain: she got pregnant, was ordered out of an Op theatre, didn't like being told what was best for her, and used the system to steal nearly 6 months net salary (SO3).
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...and she has positioned herself beautifully for promotion, whether deserved or not.
Or along comes the second lawsuit.
Constructive dismissal, loss of future earnings etc.
The case of former copper Ali Dezaei springs to mind.
Or along comes the second lawsuit.
Constructive dismissal, loss of future earnings etc.
The case of former copper Ali Dezaei springs to mind.
......you can't have a pregnant officer posted in Falklands as it is general knowledge that drinking is bad for the unborn.....it would be a criminal waste of a drinking tour........get the women out of there and replace her with someone who could make full use of facilities...............
16K would not cover my bar bill.
endex
16K would not cover my bar bill.
endex
EESDL, you have a point there!
It would be an utter waste to travel all the way south only to be clinically barred from the joys of spicy-on-the-rocks!
Mind you, there are limits. I recall once being asked by my Wg Cdr why Albert wasn't flying, so rang the flight...
"Errm...we're working a small snag. Should be fixed soon"
The snag? Their Auth, it seemed, was too pi$$ed to turn up to work. Fortunately, in the interests of harmony, I managed to hide this from my Boss. But it cost OC1**2 many a beer thereafter. Blackmail, they say, is a dirty word...but accurate!
It would be an utter waste to travel all the way south only to be clinically barred from the joys of spicy-on-the-rocks!
Mind you, there are limits. I recall once being asked by my Wg Cdr why Albert wasn't flying, so rang the flight...
"Errm...we're working a small snag. Should be fixed soon"
The snag? Their Auth, it seemed, was too pi$$ed to turn up to work. Fortunately, in the interests of harmony, I managed to hide this from my Boss. But it cost OC1**2 many a beer thereafter. Blackmail, they say, is a dirty word...but accurate!
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How long before someone who did abide by the rules (written or spirit - whichever you want) sues the MOD for not having had babies! Oh bugger, now there's an idea!
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a key piece of wording in the article link in the OP...
now.. the EHRC..
so Trevor Philips.. .
the Equality and Rights Commission, which funded the case
The chairman of the Commission is Trevor Phillips who was previously chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality.
His long-standing friendship with Peter Mandelson (who worked with Phillips at LWT and was best man at his wedding to Asha Bhownagary) brought him close to the New Labour project and he became friends with Tony Blair.
Phillips joined the Labour Party in London in 1996.
He was awarded an OBE in 1999 for services to broadcasting. Later in 1999, Phillips ran to be Labour's candidate for Mayor of London.
Phillips was initially reported to be Tony Blair's preferred choice for the role
Phillips joined the Labour Party in London in 1996.
He was awarded an OBE in 1999 for services to broadcasting. Later in 1999, Phillips ran to be Labour's candidate for Mayor of London.
Phillips was initially reported to be Tony Blair's preferred choice for the role
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medieval!
What happens to the pregnant wives of the 'permanent' Armed Forces personnel in FI? They get to choose whether to remain and accept the medical care offered in FI or return to UK. Why was she not offered the same choice? The level of care in FI is actually superior to that in some remote UK locations (anyone been to RAF Valley?). Surely the choice is hers and she signs as having made that choice and taken whatever risk is deemed to be associated with it. Even back in the UK no one is ordered to live within a certain travel distance of a certain level of medical care if they are serving and pregnant.
Incidentally, she's not the first and that may have complicated the matter. I know of at least one other who was on a 4 monther there and was allowed to remain and complete her tour. No mention of her ability to mobilise at a moment's notice and defend the penguins with her SA80, she was allowed to stay. Whatever else, the RAF needs to be consistent.
Incidentally, she's not the first and that may have complicated the matter. I know of at least one other who was on a 4 monther there and was allowed to remain and complete her tour. No mention of her ability to mobilise at a moment's notice and defend the penguins with her SA80, she was allowed to stay. Whatever else, the RAF needs to be consistent.
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Thanks for that info - nice to hear from someone else who has a balanced view based on facts and not the normal diatribe from the bigots (and you know who you are)
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Thanks for that info - nice to hear from someone else who has a balanced view based on facts and not the normal diatribe from the bigots (and you know who you are)
A bigot is a person devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. The correct use of the term requires the elements of intolerance, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.
The term has evolved to refer to persons hostile to people of differing race, ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation, religion in modern English usage.
The term has evolved to refer to persons hostile to people of differing race, ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation, religion in modern English usage.
Originally Posted by Canadian Break
How long before someone who did abide by the rules (written or spirit - whichever you want) sues the MOD for not having had babies! Oh bugger, now there's an idea!
Hmmm...
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Fabulous - no names mentioned and my first bigot fish hooked straight away-
One of yours i believe from a previous forum
Yep - if the cap fits.....
Fabulous - no names mentioned and my first bigot fish hooked straight away-
One of yours i believe from a previous forum
Not me, I didn't go on it, I think all that stuff is for Shirt lifters and Lefties.
I did study Diversity though, it was an old wooden ship used in the American civil War.
I did study Diversity though, it was an old wooden ship used in the American civil War.