More penny pinching - JSWOC canned
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why does ANYONE bother with air defence fighters?
I will hazard a guess it is because they are not stupid enough to work on the basis that if they don't need them right now, they will never ever need them.
Britain has had this attitude quite a few times in the past, and oddly it always ends in us being attacked
Still, maybe we don't need typhoon (even though we would still have to pay, thus saving no money!)....Oh, I'm just off to take down my burglar alarm, and unlock my front door on the basis I can't see any burglars this very second.....I'm sure no one will take advantage of the situation
I will hazard a guess it is because they are not stupid enough to work on the basis that if they don't need them right now, they will never ever need them.
Britain has had this attitude quite a few times in the past, and oddly it always ends in us being attacked
Still, maybe we don't need typhoon (even though we would still have to pay, thus saving no money!)....Oh, I'm just off to take down my burglar alarm, and unlock my front door on the basis I can't see any burglars this very second.....I'm sure no one will take advantage of the situation
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[quote]but deemed to be the least evil of available options. [/unquote]
And that's a problem many others face. Not that long ago many promises were made to the police, then the mood changed and we were told cuts were required, in the case of my employers thought to be around 35M by 2015.
As a result courses have also been cut or number of places available trimmed to the bare minimum in order to keep the number of police officers as high as possible.
I suspect that when a current pay agreement ends the civvie staff will not see a pay increase for a while, but at least I should still have a job unlike some others facing the goverment axes.
I am myself strongly against cuts in the armed forces and I also believe that some cuts will be made that will be short sighted in the long run. at the same time I hope that no jobs are lost but if that means trimming elsewhere then I would go for that option first, to retain the most valued assetts, named your good men and women.
And that's a problem many others face. Not that long ago many promises were made to the police, then the mood changed and we were told cuts were required, in the case of my employers thought to be around 35M by 2015.
As a result courses have also been cut or number of places available trimmed to the bare minimum in order to keep the number of police officers as high as possible.
I suspect that when a current pay agreement ends the civvie staff will not see a pay increase for a while, but at least I should still have a job unlike some others facing the goverment axes.
I am myself strongly against cuts in the armed forces and I also believe that some cuts will be made that will be short sighted in the long run. at the same time I hope that no jobs are lost but if that means trimming elsewhere then I would go for that option first, to retain the most valued assetts, named your good men and women.
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UK Capability
The only reason we argue about the relative value of AD v CAS v Recce v Maritme v Strike etc etc is that we have been led by the nose by our politicos for so long that we believe that UK can't afford all capabilities so we should choose which we need most.
We shouldn't waste our time bickering about roles we should challenge the concept that UK can't afford to own a proper military capability.
We shouldn't waste our time bickering about roles we should challenge the concept that UK can't afford to own a proper military capability.
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It's 123 Fake Street, Sum-uvver Town,
Why do you ask
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I was tempted to post an answer exactly like your first paragraph, but felt is was so obvious, as to be patronising to most posters
It's 123 Fake Street, Sum-uvver Town,
Why do you ask
Deliverance>
I was tempted to post an answer exactly like your first paragraph, but felt is was so obvious, as to be patronising to most posters
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Trim Stab,
I'm a WO and am truly disappointed that I will not be able to attend JSWOC in the future. It seems that the skill of stacking PURPLE blankets will be a mystery forever. Never mind, I take heart in the fact that seasoned PPRuners will continue my wider education by contributing reasoned, articulate and thought provoking viewpoints wrt RAF and RN requirements.
I'm a WO and am truly disappointed that I will not be able to attend JSWOC in the future. It seems that the skill of stacking PURPLE blankets will be a mystery forever. Never mind, I take heart in the fact that seasoned PPRuners will continue my wider education by contributing reasoned, articulate and thought provoking viewpoints wrt RAF and RN requirements.
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Back to the issue at hand ...
I note that IiP is about to hit my little world - now if we want to save money ... is there anyone at MoD with the balls to say what I believe most people think? For goodness sake, why are we bothering? I've volunteered to take the sign off our building (for free!).
STH
I note that IiP is about to hit my little world - now if we want to save money ... is there anyone at MoD with the balls to say what I believe most people think? For goodness sake, why are we bothering? I've volunteered to take the sign off our building (for free!).
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JSWOC is a very worthwhile course and this is short sighted. But then why cut a little off the staff courses when a little course can be slashed altogether. The best part of it, i found, was chatting to the guys and girls from the other services, something that the single sevice officer course, barring the main one, were envious of.
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JSWOC went as part of a saving demanded of the Defence Academy. My understanding is that it was a decision taken with much regret, but deemed to be the least evil of available options.
Just how much has been saved by this decision? A couple of full time staff; costs of the visiting speakers? Surely T&S is covered by the student's PU and would not affect the DefAc budget. Poor call IMHO.
If they wanted to save money then why not reduce the length of ICSC(L) from 9 months to <6 months! Would save a fortune by not having to post all the those Capt/Maj into Shriv. Mind you, if they can afford to have that many on course at anyone time, me thinks there is fat in their system!! Or is it that everyone else has been stripped to the bone?
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For fear of sounding sceptical or cynical. There is no way that they would reduce the length of the Officer's course. After all it's nine months, includes a jolly overseas for a couple of weeks and, according to some sources, can be passed by copying other people's work anyway.
Why on earth would the system want to deprive hundreds of officers of this golden opportunity at the expense of JSWOC which probably only costs £250k per annum!
Why on earth would the system want to deprive hundreds of officers of this golden opportunity at the expense of JSWOC which probably only costs £250k per annum!
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This has now happed to JSWOC on 2 occasions, money gets tight; the DA must be seen to ‘do something’ and that’s the end of that. A very worthwhile course run on a shoestring; the most exotic the travel got on our course was a walk up to the rifle range for the firearms of the world demonstration. A very poor decision.
