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MOD CS - sorry mistyped.
Not going to rise to very poor effort to get a rise. As for serving - done one op tour already (like many CS), am also serving reservist and looking forward to compulsory call up for next op tour in uniform in couple of months.
Not going to rise to very poor effort to get a rise. As for serving - done one op tour already (like many CS), am also serving reservist and looking forward to compulsory call up for next op tour in uniform in couple of months.
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The next thing on the horizon is the removal of the advances system from an FSI. So, you will have two choices either go to the cashiers and get an advance or spend your own money and claim it back from JPA. How is that going to work when you get some money from an overseas cash machine whilst incurring costs and then you don't spend all of the cash. You are left with a currency you don't need. Will you be able to change it in the cashiers office when you get back?
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Heard this last week. Apparently the Army don't think we need it! Have they forgotten what the 'J' in JPA stands for? All 3 Services still have their individual needs. The pressure comes from that particular JPA function being an add-on and costing (more) money.
Go ahead, take away the FSI and wait the first instance where a crew can't pay the handling fees or can't eat as they don't take your brand of card. What about those countries with controlled currency that isn't available from the cashier?
The cashiers don't have enough hours in the day as is, and they would have up to 15 more transactions per sortie to deal with for our larger AT types.
And then there are the short-notice changes out-of-hours...
This is just a ridiculous idea and I hope that someone has the balls to bat it off before we see a fundless AT fleet stranded or even impounded having not paid their fees.
Go ahead, take away the FSI and wait the first instance where a crew can't pay the handling fees or can't eat as they don't take your brand of card. What about those countries with controlled currency that isn't available from the cashier?
The cashiers don't have enough hours in the day as is, and they would have up to 15 more transactions per sortie to deal with for our larger AT types.
And then there are the short-notice changes out-of-hours...
This is just a ridiculous idea and I hope that someone has the balls to bat it off before we see a fundless AT fleet stranded or even impounded having not paid their fees.
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Advances from the MOD CS viewpoint are already being examined by the DFAU - multiple instances of where staff have claimed for an advance and not travelled anywhere thereby using the system as an authorised Advance of Salary. Staff have been subject to disciplinary action.
Agree that the Army are not to bothered about the £10 overseas rate - as most of their personnel overseas are either on ops or exercises where the allowance does not apply.
As financial pressures mount on the Department there will be more examination of tri-service allowances and you can guess that the lowest common denominator will be the one that gets the official nod.
Agree that the Army are not to bothered about the £10 overseas rate - as most of their personnel overseas are either on ops or exercises where the allowance does not apply.
As financial pressures mount on the Department there will be more examination of tri-service allowances and you can guess that the lowest common denominator will be the one that gets the official nod.
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I think the term is death by a thousand little cuts?
Whilst the economy is bad and times are hard outside, the MOD can afford to do as it wishes - we have mortgages to pay and so retention is not so much of an issue. However, when things start to improve - as it will one day - watch the people flood out the door.
Slightly off topic, but they have also introduced the new redundancy terms when times are hard - 3 months pay maximum for those of us on AFPS 75. So on the one hand we have to give 6 months notice to leave, but they only have to give us three months pay to get rid of us! Truely one-sided and harsh for people who have given decades of loyal Service.
In sum, MOD make hay whilst times are hard because when it gets better, the experience will walk out the door and the military will be so much worse for it.
Whilst the economy is bad and times are hard outside, the MOD can afford to do as it wishes - we have mortgages to pay and so retention is not so much of an issue. However, when things start to improve - as it will one day - watch the people flood out the door.
Slightly off topic, but they have also introduced the new redundancy terms when times are hard - 3 months pay maximum for those of us on AFPS 75. So on the one hand we have to give 6 months notice to leave, but they only have to give us three months pay to get rid of us! Truely one-sided and harsh for people who have given decades of loyal Service.
In sum, MOD make hay whilst times are hard because when it gets better, the experience will walk out the door and the military will be so much worse for it.
And if you want to be really paranoid
whats the betting PVR waiting times will increase to 12, 18 or even 36 months as they did the last time we came out of the slump 
when things start to improve
I take your point jimlad but at least you can still have the half bottle of wine with your main meal. Slight thread creep I know but does anyone know why we cant have the LOA issued by the imprest (as it was pre JPA?). Also on the LOA front I hope that those still spec aircrew or those PA Spine who joined from the spec aircrew list have noticed that since JPA all your LOA payments will be wrong. We took with us the right to Sqn Ldr LOA but the great god JPA doesn't recognise this. The blunties need to do a work around to get it right. I pointed this out 2 years ago but have only just got my first supplements paid.
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ah, PVR waiting times are almost definately going to increase. However, a lot of people are seeing the fitness test "four-strikes-and-you're-out" system as an easy way to PVR quickly!
I couldn't agree more
The exodus will be quite startling.
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at least you can still have the half bottle of wine with your main meal.
What I don't understand is how JPA can be so poorly standardised across units - is it true that Waddo self-cert everything and Northolt are still on rates in the Gulf?!?
the fitness test "four-strikes-and-you're-out" system
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whats the betting PVR waiting times will increase to 12, 18 or even 36 months as they did the last time we came out of the slump
We are paid monthly. According to EU employment law that should mean one month's notice. With leave that should mean handing one's notice in on JPA, hand in the ID card and then walk. I think it would be very difficult for them to stop anyone. I'd love to hear from anyone that has actually done this....
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We are paid monthly. According to EU employment law that should mean one month's notice. With leave that should mean handing one's notice in on JPA, hand in the ID card and then walk. I think it would be very difficult for them to stop anyone. I'd love to hear from anyone that has actually done this....
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Do not think you will get many responses. If you do it will be from those that have had weak management.
Been threatened a few times about 'EU laws' and 'my solicitors says...' but I have never been challenged.
Do not think you will get many responses. If you do it will be from those that have had weak management.
Been threatened a few times about 'EU laws' and 'my solicitors says...' but I have never been challenged.
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You seriously think thay can hold us to 12,18 or 36 months when they have altered the rules to allow them to make us redundant with just 3 months pay?!!
. You never know we may see the introduction of a Stop-loss policy this side of the Atlantic (I know, it's a Wiki link but it's the best I could find at the mo ...)And as I'm sure HMG would 'bend the rules' as long as it suits them you may want to look here at what the minimum statutory redundancy payment is. All based on a maximum of £380 per week (which for someone who has served, lets say 12 years from the age of 22, could result in a minimum statutory redundancy payment of 380 x 12 i.e £4560). Ho hum.
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If someone no longer wants to serve, it is a waste of time trying to keep them. First, the medical cards - all those conditions that are just a bit tricky to 'prove' (bad back, stress etc) - beyond 40 most have something than could prevent a deployment if we really did not want to go.
Then there are the flight safety issues - simply make yourself unfit to fly using any of above.
Then there are numerous other ways you can undermine the team (quite legally) such that it would just be counter-productive to keep you. Unless they just wanted you to sweep the hangar floor. Even then, there are ways to screw that job up too. I doubt they would gain anything from making people stay.
Finally, please don't interpret this as someone who is keen to do any of above, I am merely going to take my option in a couple of years.
Then there are the flight safety issues - simply make yourself unfit to fly using any of above.
Then there are numerous other ways you can undermine the team (quite legally) such that it would just be counter-productive to keep you. Unless they just wanted you to sweep the hangar floor. Even then, there are ways to screw that job up too. I doubt they would gain anything from making people stay.
Finally, please don't interpret this as someone who is keen to do any of above, I am merely going to take my option in a couple of years.
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I am sure a 9 monther OOA in Helmand will sort out that little problem.
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That was exactly my point. As a CS Jim can have his half bottle of wine. Whereas we are subject to the ever changing judgement of Corporate Governance or whatever they call themselves.
That was exactly my point. As a CS Jim can have his half bottle of wine. Whereas we are subject to the ever changing judgement of Corporate Governance or whatever they call themselves.
Vasco - I think the problem is that people don't seem to understand that the CS operate on a totally different set of T&C to the military. Complaining that the CS can have a 1/2 bottle of wine (an allowance that I doubt will last much longer) is like the CS complaining that the military get LSSA and the CS don't - its two different organisations with very different policies.
