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Old 27th Mar 2010, 22:48
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Both 771's HAR's and 772's SK's had a larger step to allow the diver to stand prior to dispatching into the ogin.

Standard SKD's had no step at the rear cargo door.
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Did they ever jump from Seakings?
And from MK 3A.
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Ok then

Which Dilbert got rid of the best piece of kit in the back of an RN SAR aircraft?

Let him be named and shamed!
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Think it was the same Gimp, at the 100th year of the FAA, flypast that i attended, who was the steward in the BAE Alliance tent . Said " We will be able to launch the seaboat, instead!!! and the Sea King would be able to provide ample AEW cover on the new carriers
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Oh dear oh dear.........................does he have any influence nowadays and how can we sort him out?
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Another Shinny A**E who hasnt a Scooby doo The Navy Net: Rum Ration Forums Royal Navy Branches The Fleet Air Arm Search and rescue info
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Old 1st Aug 2019, 17:54
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Originally Posted by John Eacott
Bast0n,

Not me Chief: RN only, thanks And that's a much later SK ditching, 6 blade TR. This was our attempt where the flot gear worked for a few hours:

Any info about this accident?
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Old 1st Aug 2019, 18:55
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The Belvedere did valiant service with 26 Sqn in both Aden and North Borneo, much loved/hated by ground and aircrew alike. I seem to remember that the main cause of problems arose from either the gearbox or drive train. The designers of the Chinook learned a lot from the Belvedere and particularly how to get it right.

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Originally Posted by Thud_and_Blunder
Psst - Landroger: Belvedere = same engine(s) as Wessie 1 & 3, ie Napier Gazelle. Turboshaft, which I'm pretty sure uses a turbine, no?

Anyway, any fule kno that an AB205 beats any Wessex in the mountains any day. And my little Bolkow these days ain't too bad - pity it can't lift much more than half a verbal message when compared to my luvverly Chinook.
The plan was to power them as you suggest, but that development was cancelled (IIRC) and they continued with Bristol Leonides engines.
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Old 1st Aug 2019, 19:41
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but that development was cancelled (IIRC) and they continued with Bristol Leonides engines.
????????????????? All the Belvederes I saw were powered by Gazelles. They could, and would, if necessary, be recovered back to base on one engine without any trouble. The advantage the Belvedere had over the Chinook was that the fore and aft rotors were sufficiently stepped so as not to interfere with each other. Each engine drove it's own gearbox with a synchro shaft to keep them together and to transmit power from a live engine to both gearboxes.

I believe one had a synchro shaft failure in Aden and after the aircraft was landed the noise from the blades belting each other only came during shutdown..
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Old 1st Aug 2019, 21:31
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Originally Posted by Marcantilan
Any info about this accident?
Is it Sea King HAS2A, serial XV698?

11/07/1982 XV698 351 Sea King HAS2A 824 NAS No2 engine failed while transferring supplies from RFA Fort George to Leeds Castle in the South Atlantic. It ditched in the heavy swell, turned over and sank in 2,000 meters of water and was not recovered. The crew escaped safely


From

http://www.ukserials.com/losses-1982.htm

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/73315
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Old 1st Aug 2019, 21:44
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Well, TEEEJ, that answers the original question. A Wessex with an engine failure would have just carried on. see my post #24.
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Originally Posted by Trim Stab
An aspect of the Wessex that has always intrigued me compared to current generation helicopters is that the CG was presumably much lower, as the engines were mounted well below the rotor plane.

I expect that greatly reduced roll and pitch rates, but presumably it made deck landings easier?
Well there was the still borne Westminster, that was a Wessex with the engines on the roof rather like a Sea King come Wessex.

https://www.google.com/search?q=west...XblL9tpiD9qDM:
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Originally Posted by TEEEJ
These can't be the same incident. The Marcantillan photo has normal white lettering and roundel, whilst the TEEJ photo from south atlantic has the hastily applied black lettering and low vis roundel.
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 10:01
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When I was gliding with the ATC in the early 70's,there was a Belvedere on the Fire-dump at RAF Ternhill,waiting to be set-alight,along with a Wessex,and a Vampire T11,that had already been burned.During breaks from the flying programme,we cadets used to go and clamber over these in the hope of 'liberating' any loose bits.I rather regret to say that I still have the rotor-brake handle from the Belvedere,as the aircraft is now I believe in a museum.
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And in 2019 when you need a job doing, they call in the Chinook force.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...risis-16686403
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Re. the original question, Herod got it right!! My helo time started with the Sycamore and finished with the Lynx via Whirly 7 and 10, Kaman Husky, Wessi 2 and 3, Sioux, Puma, Gazelle and Sea King. Mainly S&R and then trials. Some stick time on all of them except the Husky and the Whirlwind 10 was way ahead on enjoyment. The Wessex was undoubtedly ahead on the 'Brick outbuilding' scale but I didn't like the SAS and it concluded my rotary time with a long North Sea crossing on one engine, unextinguishable fire light on the other, in the middle of a winter storm, to land on North Foreland and be hosed down (aircraft AND crew!) by the local Fire Brigade! ... long story! Did the Sea King winch trials and could never understand the radar gearbox 'shadow' just where you needed to look or the cabin door opening forward on a helo that hovered tail down! So, it had a lock pin but not ideal. One reported oddity was the suggestion that if faced with gear lowering problems, operating the windscreen wipers might help! No Ops time on it and the crews seem to like it but ... no, Whirly 10 it is!
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 14:46
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Hello TEEEJ. I am with Andy. I donīt think the SK upside down was related with Op Corporate.

The photo, now in full colour, of the same incident of 824 NAS Sea King:



Note the roundel without the white.

Mistery remains!

Thanks a lot!
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 17:44
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Originally Posted by Marcantilan
Hello TEEEJ. I am with Andy. I donīt think the SK upside down was related with Op Corporate.

The photo, now in full colour, of the same incident of 824 NAS Sea King:



Note the roundel without the white.

Mistery remains!

Thanks a lot!
John put a series of photos online somewhere, including recovery - an 824 NAS cab, number 051.

ETA - Ah, here we are (scroll down for ditched SK)

http://www.eacott.com.au/gallery/v/n...dddctumain.php
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 18:19
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It looks like if you are a Sea King and you have side number 51, you are going to ditch some time or other...
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