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Two services in ten years 'entirely plausible', says Sir Jock

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Old 3rd Feb 2010, 11:34
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Two services in ten years 'entirely plausible', says Sir Jock

CDS has just told a press briefing on the Green Paper that it was entirely plausible that there could be only two services in ten years.
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...the Boy Scouts and the Brownies...
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...the Boy Scouts and the Brownies...
More like AA and RAC - there won't be enough money for defence
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Sounds to me like he thinks that the bean counters see it as plausible and has decided to drop a stick of dynamite to get it out in the open and rubbished as soon as possible.
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I'm a big admirer of the RAF Regiment and the Royals, but don't we still need an independent, separate Army as well?
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I'm inclined to be with Mick on this one; Maybe I speak ill of him (for once) but I dont honestly think Stirrup will give a fig whether theres 2 services or ten.

He'll have retired on his more than adequate pension by that point, so he'll be past caring.
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http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/790C7...per_cm7794.pdf

Could be summarised as do even more with even less because we tell you to and will magically make savings through restructuring of "head office" functions....

Alternately, we can do without some capabilities and reconstitute them as necessary (!!!!) given sufficient warning.

And laughably, the large scale operations appear to require more ships and aircraft than we actually have now!

Oh and none of this is to do with underfunding because since 1997 spending has risen in "real terms" by ~£2Bn. How could we possibly have failed to recapitalise the equipment budget given such munificence from the one-eyed forces friend.........?
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I'm a big admirer of the RAF Regiment and the Royals, but don't we still need an independent, separate Army as well?
I suggest you go to Poole and ask
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So be it, I guess we will have to resurrect the Marine Branch
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Gordon Brown states that he will maintain army staffing levels at approximately 100,000. Do you think he means decrease the RAF to 30,000 number personel, decrease the army by 30,000 and then amalgamate the R.A.F with the army. Bingo an army of 100,000 persons.

After all Gordon Brown never promised anything when it came to R.A.F. manpower levels.


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Royal Naval Air Service resurrected?

IF the decisiion were to go down to 2 Services, I just hope that our Airships and the Admirals can get their act together. A 100,000 Army and 50,000 Naval Service (RN, RM, RNAS) has got to be more attractive than a 130,000 Army with the AAC as possibly the largest cap badge and a 20,000ish Naval Service. Halcyon days for the 200-series RAF sqns!
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Canada amalgamated their Services and then spent a fortune reversing it. I think it is called Lesson Learned!
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Bang goes the "Save the BBMF" thread!
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Navibrator, could you E mail G Brown with that info please.
He's still at 10 Downing St, at the moment anyhow.
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"Two services in ten years 'entirely plausible', says Sir Jock"

aparently not

Defence News: Defence in the Media: 3 February 2010
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Star cull

I saw somewhere today (can't recall where) that there is a planned cull of the top brass in all 3 Services. Can't help but feel that this is a long overdue exercise. Anyone know what the the current 1-4 star population is?
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Typical Stirrup.

When asked the question is there likely to be three services, he says its plausible.

Any other CDS worth his salt would have said of course there is going to be three services. By saying its plausible, he is, by default, giving rise to the question of well if it is plausible that there will be three, is it possible that there will be less?
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Couldnt you see this coming?? All our admin, all our rules and regs and an awful lot of our training is done together already, we even look like the Army on many stations now. Was on an RAF station yesterday and their was more green than blue. This is not something new, the amalgamation is something that has been looked at for a while now. This green paper and the SDR will bring it all a little bit closer.
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Seriously, I have heard that in the SDR there is talk of, "much closer cooperation with the French Navy" - is this old news?

(Not so serious, addition to RN Staff College syllabus, "Surrendering, how not to lose half your fleet to friendly fire").

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I'm sure it's been said before but it is called a "green" paper for a reason. the white paper should probably be re-branded the purple paper
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