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MOD Civil Servants £300M Bonuses Vs Battle of Britain Memorial Flight's £3M.

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Old 15th Jan 2010, 12:23
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MOD Civil Servants £300M Bonuses Vs Battle of Britain Memorial Flight's £3M.

MOD Civil Servants £300M p.a. Bonuses to stay while the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight's £3M p.a. to be at risk ! - The Daily Mail


Isn't there someone up there that hasn't got their snout in the trough able to see sense?
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Old 15th Jan 2010, 13:07
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Dont take this the wrong way, but.... do you really need to ask that question??
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The MOD bonus system was introduced to save cash - the bonus is not pensionable, for a start, so the £300m is actually less than it would have been under a normal pay award system.

Try looking at MP's £400/month un-receipted food allowance, for which the max payable annually is £3m.....
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Battle of Britain Memorial Flight - News
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The pay pot for MOD civil servants was agreed with effect from last August for 3 years. It was a good deal at abut 3% increase annually, OK?

Now 2% of the pay pot is witheld. Each year that 2% is redistributed in the form of bonuses. 10% of CS get none, 10% get loads, 20% get a bit less and the remainder get a sop, after tax is around £30/month. As A_A says, it is non-pensionable.

It is their pay; it is not like a private sector bonus.

Initially this incentive bonus was awarded on a 50-50 basis but as such it was more a divisive and disincentive. The CS didn't want it, it was another Brown intiative from the Treasury.

A couple of years ago, Miss PN, working in industry, was awarded a 13th month bonus. It was the norm and virtually promised when she joined - 1 1/12th bonus is significantly better than the CS bonus; even a top-wack CS bonus would have been no more than 5.8% of my pay.
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Just another excuse to have a pop at overpaid (MoD) civil servants, who of course are wholely responsible for bringing the country to its knees in the recent banking collapse! You'd think the government wanted to cut those vast bonuses for these overpaid and underworked employees and were encouraging this outrage!!!

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I have to ask why the government is giving £3,000,000 to the Battle of Britain Memorial fund ? Do they get that amount each year? What does the money go on?
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What does the money go on?
I believe it's converted into noise - and quite a nice noise at that
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Isn't the question really why the taxpayer is having to cough up £3m per year for the BBMF? I am sure the private sector would pay a relatively small amount like that to be associated with the flight.
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Exactly. Maybe we could withdraw the £3,000,000 that the BBMF expect and give it to people in Haiti ?
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RN Historic Flight is charitable and self funded why not the BOB MF?
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Old 15th Jan 2010, 19:39
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Perhaps the fat cats in the city could be conned into thinking that BBMF stood for Bankers Bonus Maintainance Fund..........3 mil per year could be raised easily
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If the country cannot continue to afford the BBMF, can it afford to continue to maintain HMS Victory which has a similar function for the Navy?
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The bonus system was forced on the MOD by one Mr Gordon Brown several years ago, over very strong complaints by MOD staff. Don't blame MOD for having an abysmal pay system being forced on it by the then Chancellor. Most MOD servants would love to scrap the bonus, but as its one of Gordons ideas, the chances of this occurring are zero.

As for BBMF - PR10 is done, FDR hasn't begun - what options are people costing that could lead to scrapping the BBMF? I think someone has been scaremongering again...
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Actually £3m is about the cost of the Hawk that the RAF destroyed last year because the (Red Arrow) pilot forgot to lower the undercarriage. Perhaps the RAF should show a bit of Battle of Britain professionalism, and raise the money for the BBMF themselves, instead of bleating to the tax payer?
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Originally Posted by pontifex
If the country cannot continue to afford the BBMF, can it afford to continue to maintain HMS Victory which has a similar function for the Navy?

A Victory roll from the Navy would be very impressive
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Cirrus -if it's the aircraft on delivery there was more to it than the pilot forgetting the undercarriage.
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How much does the University Air Squadrons and AEF cost?

... and how much to train HRH Wales?
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RN Historic Flight is charitable and self funded why not the BOB MF?

Because the RNHF is not self funded, if it was it would have been closed down years ago, it still gets funding from the public purse
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If you have read the article, it also mentions the potential for private funding. What is the problem with that? The REDs have just about every major gadget, golf club, watch maker etc etc etc falling over themselves to be associated with the team, so why not spread it around??????
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