Public Sector Pay Freeze
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The full document is on the BBC website
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/news/nol/...t_document.pdf
Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to make any reference to an exemption for HM Forces.
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Page 116 of the report mentions the pay restriction.
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/news/nol/...t_document.pdf
Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to make any reference to an exemption for HM Forces.
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Public sector workers are at the heart of delivering world-class public services and
supporting long-term economic growth, prosperity and fairness. Following substantial
investment in public sector pay since 1997, continued pay restraint will be important to
support front-line service delivery while ensuring sustainable public finances over the
medium term. The 2009 Pre-Budget Report sets out an ambitious package of measures on
support front-line service delivery while ensuring sustainable public finances over the
medium term. The 2009 Pre-Budget Report sets out an ambitious package of measures on
public sector pay.
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Welcome to the real world of Labour, did you actually think they care one little iota about the forces? You and they know that life on ops merits a special case, but they don't care.
The last few years rises have been shamed on them by the press, they don't need to do it anymore because they are dead and buried. Many of us ex-servers are at the 2 years without any pay rise, nowhere near as bad as the military abroad, it is harsh out here.
The last few years rises have been shamed on them by the press, they don't need to do it anymore because they are dead and buried. Many of us ex-servers are at the 2 years without any pay rise, nowhere near as bad as the military abroad, it is harsh out here.
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This might not be as easy as he thinks.
For example police staff are in year 2 of a 3 pay deal. So trying to put a pay freeze on next year will either accepted without a wimper or the Unions are going to have a field day with strike calls etc about broken agreements.
Wasn't this lot who wanted 3 year deals as they were better for planning finances etc?? So got the various depts to push them.
So....if the MoD are one of the few public sectors not on a 3 year deal - I see trouble ahead if the MoD get the pay freeze yet other departments don't because of the 3 year deals!
For example police staff are in year 2 of a 3 pay deal. So trying to put a pay freeze on next year will either accepted without a wimper or the Unions are going to have a field day with strike calls etc about broken agreements.
Wasn't this lot who wanted 3 year deals as they were better for planning finances etc?? So got the various depts to push them.
So....if the MoD are one of the few public sectors not on a 3 year deal - I see trouble ahead if the MoD get the pay freeze yet other departments don't because of the 3 year deals!
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It does state that categorically that £x million will be saved by instigating a pay freeze.
That seems an awfully bold statement to make unless they are meaning to withhold parts of previously negotiated pay deals.
Otherwise the £x million figure is just specualtion, because as of yet, if no pay rise has been negotiated then no money has been allocated, therefore no saving.
That seems an awfully bold statement to make unless they are meaning to withhold parts of previously negotiated pay deals.
Otherwise the £x million figure is just specualtion, because as of yet, if no pay rise has been negotiated then no money has been allocated, therefore no saving.
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I hope you are going to vote when the election cometh. When right wing tory robbing b4st4rds were in at least you knew they didn't blow it on carbon centric policies for disabled lesbian immigrant leprechauns and such like.
Who sold off the gold reserves gordy?? at the record low price - if it was still here they could go to cash4gold and get a better price today.
I do pity you poor sods still in, but at least you are not on the dole.
The next five - ten years are going to be very painful all round
Who sold off the gold reserves gordy?? at the record low price - if it was still here they could go to cash4gold and get a better price today.
I do pity you poor sods still in, but at least you are not on the dole.
The next five - ten years are going to be very painful all round
In case anyone is concerned............. MPs are exempt the pay freeze
Although thinking about it, it shouldn't come as any surprise to anybody if the Armed Forces are included in this - despite having their own 'independent pay review board. When times were good and the private sector was raking it in, we had to play along with limits to pay rises in the interests of keeping inflation down across the economy. And now times are bad, we can't have a pay rise because it would be unseemly and we are broke.
Seems like this shower have an excuse for all seasons.
As a former serviceman, 'retired' and now working in civvy street, I and my fellow workers have just had a pay cut. I suppose it could have been a pay cut for you folk as well? Pay freeze is marginally better than pay cut, surely?
I know, it isn't a welcome thing, particularly when it is largely due to the ineptitude of the unelected chimp and his monobrow sidekick. Never mind that MPs may have exempted themselves from any pay cut, they still haven't implemented any of the recommendations of the Allowances Review of a few weeks back. And the bloke in charge of the so-called implementation has publicly stated that he doesn't have to implement all of it. I suspect he has no intention of of implementing any of it.
Shame on the feckwits who voted for this nepotist, incompetent and most corrupt government this country has seen in modern times!
I know, it isn't a welcome thing, particularly when it is largely due to the ineptitude of the unelected chimp and his monobrow sidekick. Never mind that MPs may have exempted themselves from any pay cut, they still haven't implemented any of the recommendations of the Allowances Review of a few weeks back. And the bloke in charge of the so-called implementation has publicly stated that he doesn't have to implement all of it. I suspect he has no intention of of implementing any of it.
Shame on the feckwits who voted for this nepotist, incompetent and most corrupt government this country has seen in modern times!
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MPs' Salaries
OK you've done it now ... got me going on MPs' salaries. Rage
Normally when setting salary levels one takes in to account how many folk are interested in doing the job at the advertised rate. Not many quality applicants? Then turn the salary wick up and try again. Last time I looked there seemed to be plenty of applicants for each MP's seat (OK questionable quality but sadly it's difficult to tell on first showing) so surely the thing to do is turn down the salary wick and see how many still want the job?
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Normally when setting salary levels one takes in to account how many folk are interested in doing the job at the advertised rate. Not many quality applicants? Then turn the salary wick up and try again. Last time I looked there seemed to be plenty of applicants for each MP's seat (OK questionable quality but sadly it's difficult to tell on first showing) so surely the thing to do is turn down the salary wick and see how many still want the job?
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Forgive me interrupting in an area where I do not usually post however a headline in one of the "quality" papers I read this morning specifically stated that the Armed Forces are not subject to this freeze. Sorry, can't give a link.
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Story here
"No recommendation about pay for the armed forces has been made."
A little bit here on the 3 year deals too....
"And Mr Darling's announcement does not affect teachers, nurses and police officers who are still subject to three year pay deals which come to an end next year.
A Treasury source told the BBC the pay freeze will override the final year of a three-year pay deal for senior public sector workers."
"No recommendation about pay for the armed forces has been made."
A little bit here on the 3 year deals too....
"And Mr Darling's announcement does not affect teachers, nurses and police officers who are still subject to three year pay deals which come to an end next year.
A Treasury source told the BBC the pay freeze will override the final year of a three-year pay deal for senior public sector workers."
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I am pleased so say 
that MOD Civil Servants are also on a 3-year pay deal, year one starting in Aug 08. As far as I know that pay deal will be honoured.
that MOD Civil Servants are also on a 3-year pay deal, year one starting in Aug 08. As far as I know that pay deal will be honoured.
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Pay?
While I have a huge respect for the work done by the forces I find it hard to see how a goverment that has got it's self into so much Money trouble (or should I say lack of money trouble) that it can't afford to pay anyone any more.
The fortunate bit is that people in the forces are unlikely to find them selfs in the same situation as I did last year and having to endure a 100% pay cut.
The fortunate bit is that people in the forces are unlikely to find them selfs in the same situation as I did last year and having to endure a 100% pay cut.