Wearing Uniform in London
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Wearing Uniform in London
I see that Cameron is promising to double the allowances for service personnel in Afganistan. He is also going to insist that MOD personel wear uniform instead of suits. Are officers now going to be entitled to 1st Class railway tickets commuting to work and back.
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I hope he means that Military personnel will be wearing uniform.... I'm not sure that MOD personnel have a uniform.
First class rail tickets are available.... Last time I travelled up to London I went First Class. I'm particularly fond of Virgin upper class when travelling abroad as well....
First class rail tickets are available.... Last time I travelled up to London I went First Class. I'm particularly fond of Virgin upper class when travelling abroad as well....
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
1st class at eye-watering prices. 2.5 hr journey £190. When told my boss only used Standard I said "So?". As I was entitled I insisted. Interestingly the train was over one hour late for I got a 100% refund for half the far 
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Bargain.
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I got in before the ban and out afterwards.
.Bargain.
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I got in before the ban and out afterwards.
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1st class travel...not at the moment as a result of all-callsigns PUS ban a couple of weeks ago. The need to question any travel at all has also been raised. Meetings can be replaced with VTCs...if you can get access to them
Broken.
Broken.
Well if we're going to be wearing uniform in town, then I do hope that we get a better uniform than the one we currently have that makes us look like RAC repairmen. Or will we be in No 1s?
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First class travel ban.
Yes, that’s right all travel is now only at standard rate, which has come as a great shock to some. I was at a meeting on Wednesday with an exulted one from out of town who complained to one and all how they’d had to sit next to someone on the train who “had body odour”; join the real world! As to uniform, yes all military personnel at MoD main now wears uniform on a Wednesday, an exercise that shows just how few actually work there, unless a very large contingent of them are RMP SIB?
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Fairly sure that QRs and various JSPs say what travel class you are and are not entitled to.
Not sure that a circular will stop all the senior officers from using 1st class rail or business class air passage
Not sure that a circular will stop all the senior officers from using 1st class rail or business class air passage
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Uniform ban for singing servicemen - *Music news, latest news, breaking music news, singers, bands, MSN Music - MSN UK
Re the singing soldiers performing in front of the queen and not being allowed to wear Uniforms..........
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A Ministry of Defence spokeswoman explained: "When they perform they're earning money.
"Nobody is allowed to use the Queen's uniform for that."/QUOTE]
So remember next time in theatre performing ones job, either do it for nowt or get your kit off LOL
Re the singing soldiers performing in front of the queen and not being allowed to wear Uniforms..........
[quote][
A Ministry of Defence spokeswoman explained: "When they perform they're earning money.
"Nobody is allowed to use the Queen's uniform for that."/QUOTE]
So remember next time in theatre performing ones job, either do it for nowt or get your kit off LOL
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Why would wearing uniform affect whether you get 1st class travel? Entitlement goes with rank, not clothing.
Uniform aside, the emphasis in MOD - and the 3 Services - is on cutting costs. Even though the functional standard says 1st class rail for sqn ldrs and above, if you insist on it for that reason alone you are likely to be told either not to travel, or to find a cheaper way of doing the journey.
Uniform aside, the emphasis in MOD - and the 3 Services - is on cutting costs. Even though the functional standard says 1st class rail for sqn ldrs and above, if you insist on it for that reason alone you are likely to be told either not to travel, or to find a cheaper way of doing the journey.
1st class travel is now banned for all MOD staff (mil and civ) except where it can be shown that advance purchases would be cheaper than buying a standard ticket (which bizzarely does happen occasionally if you book a long time in advance).
I think uniform in MB is a good idea, and I know a lot of the CS are very pleased that Wednesday has become "wear your uniform to work day" - the sooner it becomes permanent the better. Then Liam Fox et al might realise that MB is actually dominated by the military and not the CS...
I think uniform in MB is a good idea, and I know a lot of the CS are very pleased that Wednesday has become "wear your uniform to work day" - the sooner it becomes permanent the better. Then Liam Fox et al might realise that MB is actually dominated by the military and not the CS...
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1st class travel is now banned for all MOD staff (mil and civ) except where it can be shown that advance purchases would be cheaper than buying a standard ticket (which bizzarely does happen occasionally if you book a long time in advance).
"Perhaps in head office, but certainly not at the other end of the M4. I think some of the civil servants would be more upset about that going than most anything else"
Then perhaps they should be pointed in the direction of PUSs most recent note to all MOD staff about this, which is on the internal homepage. There should be no issue on this.
I think some CS are far too precious about this and wish it would just go - some things are worth fighting for - 1st class travel is not.
Then perhaps they should be pointed in the direction of PUSs most recent note to all MOD staff about this, which is on the internal homepage. There should be no issue on this.
I think some CS are far too precious about this and wish it would just go - some things are worth fighting for - 1st class travel is not.
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It's a difficult one this. QRs is quite clear on entitlements and I doubt very much that anyone can prevent you from applying for entitlements under QRs, but as has been suggested, the current line appears to be go standard, find another way or don't go at all.
Of course the simple answer for those entitled is to offer to go by road as long as the service provides a driver (how many units can do that?) or don't go at all. I know some who will agree to go standard but wait until the last minute to buy tickets deliberately to maximise the cost so as to prove that the measure is as ineffective as possible. Others will always find something 'sensitive' to carry or be working on during the journey, thus justifying the 1st class.
Personally it's a perk I worked bloody hard for, and I am extremely resistant to giving it up.
What's really disingenuous is that this is being pushed by some (SCSs) as a means of focussing limited funds on the priorities (ie kit for the boys), but in fact it will make next to no difference whatsoever, and any money saved will simply be lost in the massive black hole that is the UK economy - no-one has said at any press conference that "the boys and girls will get the kit, but we are going to have to cut out all that 1st class travel etc etc." It's the same as the arguments about the Reds: the £6m PA (or whatever the current figure is) would be better spent on proper boots for Tommy Atkins, when in fact the saving would simply vanish from the MOD pot (or as it currently is, its overdraft!).
As for uniform, the MOD wants people to wear uniform in Main Building (and I have done so), but elements of military are directing that uniform is not to be worn in public for security reasons (most recently in a set of Army orders I saw last week). I am suspicious about almost anything that brought in as a new measure these days - if all the military wore uniform in MOD, would there perchance be a saving in clothing allowance? (Genuine Q, I don't know whether such a thing still exists).
What I am sure of is that anything brought in to save money is here to stay. The MOD is broke, and it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
While we're on the subject of money, can anyone tell me why we have to use Hogg Robinson to book accommodation? I know I keep asking on here, but no-one has yet come up with any answer at all, and a booking fee of £5 per person per night on top of a not particularly good rate (sometimes a higher rate) leads me to assume that it's a particularly bad means of doing business.
Sorry about all that. I really do need to go and lie down now.
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Of course the simple answer for those entitled is to offer to go by road as long as the service provides a driver (how many units can do that?) or don't go at all. I know some who will agree to go standard but wait until the last minute to buy tickets deliberately to maximise the cost so as to prove that the measure is as ineffective as possible. Others will always find something 'sensitive' to carry or be working on during the journey, thus justifying the 1st class.
Personally it's a perk I worked bloody hard for, and I am extremely resistant to giving it up.
What's really disingenuous is that this is being pushed by some (SCSs) as a means of focussing limited funds on the priorities (ie kit for the boys), but in fact it will make next to no difference whatsoever, and any money saved will simply be lost in the massive black hole that is the UK economy - no-one has said at any press conference that "the boys and girls will get the kit, but we are going to have to cut out all that 1st class travel etc etc." It's the same as the arguments about the Reds: the £6m PA (or whatever the current figure is) would be better spent on proper boots for Tommy Atkins, when in fact the saving would simply vanish from the MOD pot (or as it currently is, its overdraft!).
As for uniform, the MOD wants people to wear uniform in Main Building (and I have done so), but elements of military are directing that uniform is not to be worn in public for security reasons (most recently in a set of Army orders I saw last week). I am suspicious about almost anything that brought in as a new measure these days - if all the military wore uniform in MOD, would there perchance be a saving in clothing allowance? (Genuine Q, I don't know whether such a thing still exists).
What I am sure of is that anything brought in to save money is here to stay. The MOD is broke, and it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
While we're on the subject of money, can anyone tell me why we have to use Hogg Robinson to book accommodation? I know I keep asking on here, but no-one has yet come up with any answer at all, and a booking fee of £5 per person per night on top of a not particularly good rate (sometimes a higher rate) leads me to assume that it's a particularly bad means of doing business.
Sorry about all that. I really do need to go and lie down now.
STH
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Looking on the net for something else I came across this paper:
http://www.bath.ac.uk/management/res...df/2008-04.pdf
the paper itself makes for fairly uninteresting reading but the conclusions are interesting. the paper infers that the MOD has already chosen to adopt a policy of economy plus on flights longer than 2.5 hours. I'm not sure how this relates to PUS' travel restrictions (having not seen them) but the change in class of travel may pre-date the current changes.
I'm not contesting we are strapped for cash, but it may well be that policy change was already in progress before the recent embargo.
http://www.bath.ac.uk/management/res...df/2008-04.pdf
the paper itself makes for fairly uninteresting reading but the conclusions are interesting. the paper infers that the MOD has already chosen to adopt a policy of economy plus on flights longer than 2.5 hours. I'm not sure how this relates to PUS' travel restrictions (having not seen them) but the change in class of travel may pre-date the current changes.
I'm not contesting we are strapped for cash, but it may well be that policy change was already in progress before the recent embargo.
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As for uniform, the MOD wants people to wear uniform in Main Building (and I have done so), but elements of military are directing that uniform is not to be worn in public for security reasons (most recently in a set of Army orders I saw last week). I am suspicious about almost anything that brought in as a new measure these days - if all the military wore uniform in MOD, would there perchance be a saving in clothing allowance? (Genuine Q, I don't know whether such a thing still exists).
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What about when the RM band appear in public.... they are doing that for money and getting paid for it....
What about when we get collared into standing in front of an aircraft at Farnboro / Paris airshow.... we are in uniform for that and getting paid extra from Mr Westlands....
What about when we get collared into standing in front of an aircraft at Farnboro / Paris airshow.... we are in uniform for that and getting paid extra from Mr Westlands....