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Old 3rd Dec 2009, 12:34
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Well, as this is a rumour site ......

Initial talk of RAF down to 31,000 in the next defence review has been 'trumped' by a friend of a friends 'rumour' that RAF strength of 25,000 is now being considered! GULP! That's like, errr, half of the RAF being chopped!!

Interestingly, the price of gold is the reaction by 'those in the know' to just how F*@ked the Banks REALLY are and the real prospect of sovereign loan default too. It's just the Government wants to hide this info from Joe Public. There may not be a way of paying people in HMG service next year when the Chinese et al demand their gilts back.

When the BoE Governor Merv King said in his latest report "People are going to have to expect a lower standard of living' he was giving us a hidden warning that the global economy is really still in a great deal of trouble - so don't get sucked in by this mega bear market rally.

So, if you do find yourself out of a job next year, you really should make the most of the monthly payments you have left and pay off as much of your debts as possible, as there will not be a lively job market to jump into – it could even be better for some to jump ship early. After all, do you fancy trying to use ‘ex-military’ etc on your job applications along with the other 19,999 ex-RAF on the market at the same time???

Start stocking the Apocalyptic reserve holdings with the tins of beans etc as this financial crisis is far, far from over, despite what the ‘news’ might be telling you!!
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Old 3rd Dec 2009, 18:26
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Originally Posted by ORAC
it's not comparing like for like.

The army has a lot of experienced NCOs because you need them on the battlefield and to cover attrition. The RAF is top heavy because the aircrew are mostly commissioned and that affects the ratio above. The RN works to fixed ratios on board ship.
Orac, I know that which is why I chose to compare SNCO+WO+JO against the first EO rank. It is at Sqn Ldr that the RAF is top heavy compared with the Army. "Aircrew are mostly commissioned" is a red herring as "most" aircrew should be in the JO box and not EO.

A pertinent question would be how many commissioned aircrew are there in the RAF. Roger Honey, in 1988, said that the frontline requirement for aircrew was 1000 bums on seats. How many aircrew now?
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Old 3rd Dec 2009, 20:36
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I heard at work today that we are short of aircrew Sqn Ldrs/Wg Cdrs (at least 60?) and it is the "penguins" that have swelled and are in need of culling!!!

I also heard that there is requirement for 4x OF-6 admin seccy types - there are more than 7, so I am told!

I believe this has occurred after the madness of a "Wg Cdr and above can do any job at that level" - the "guins" swelled in number to fill these leaving the aircrew short of available posts (unfortunately, some of these posts are for aircrew only! ). What a mess...

Standing by for an onslaught of fishy smelling guano!

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PS. Grimwesel, nice try. The 31,000 rumour started when people took 10,000 off of the current 41,000 strength. Unfortunately, the 10,000 is rumoured to be across defence (RN-heavy, Army-lite, RAF -heavy) so I understand that 37,000 is closer to the mark under "natural wastage" - no redundancy in the rumour I heard .

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Old 3rd Dec 2009, 22:17
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I don't believe that Air Officers retire on full pay - they get a pension like all us mere mortals - handsome, I grant you, but not full pay. Except for MRAF, whom I believe does not 'retire' as such but continues to 'serve' with a reduced pay rate.

Unless, of course, someone knows differently....
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Old 4th Dec 2009, 00:09
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I believe this has occurred after the madness of a "Wg Cdr and above can do any job at that level" - the "guins" swelled in number to fill these leaving the aircrew short of available posts (unfortunately, some of these posts are for aircrew only! ). What a mess...
Would you include examples such as ACM Pledger doing the CDL job?
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Would you include examples such as ACM Pledger doing the CDL job?
Wasn't he a chopper pilot - what's your point? I don't think we have any 4 star "guins" in the RAF do we?


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Old 4th Dec 2009, 19:13
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The RAF and Army have 115 men per red tab and the RN 151, an Army Coy or their abouts - what does it equate to in the RN and RAF I wonder?
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