Jointery not necessarily best practice
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Jointery not necessarily best practice
As one who has experienced "jointery" first hand and has seen the RAF shafted several times in the adoption of "best practice" is there anyone out there with a tale of a battle we won ??
Why when the AAC is so small, and fly relatively unsophisticated aircraft do they have such a say in JHC ?? In fact in these fiscally tight times cant we just absorb them??
Why when the AAC is so small, and fly relatively unsophisticated aircraft do they have such a say in JHC ?? In fact in these fiscally tight times cant we just absorb them??
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Jointery lad,
Methinks think you might have missed something here. Yes, the AAC maybe small but they still have more heicopters than the RAF and the Navy put together. I think you will also find that, unless things have changed in the 2 years since I left, that the main role, (and raison d'etre), of the SH force, and most of the Transport fleet, is to support the Army on ground operations at least until the air superiority version of the Puma enters service.
(******, didn't mean to let that slip - for god's sake don't tell Hoon!!!!)
Methinks think you might have missed something here. Yes, the AAC maybe small but they still have more heicopters than the RAF and the Navy put together. I think you will also find that, unless things have changed in the 2 years since I left, that the main role, (and raison d'etre), of the SH force, and most of the Transport fleet, is to support the Army on ground operations at least until the air superiority version of the Puma enters service.
(******, didn't mean to let that slip - for god's sake don't tell Hoon!!!!)
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>The AAC may have more F700s than the other >forces put together. But, you know as well >as the rest of us that you could hardly >muster a Sqn and half of serviceable ones.
Thats a fair point and is down to chronic underfunding over a load of years allied to massive overcommitment rather than any inherent AAC/REME failings. Might be worth checking out the latest JHC rolling brief though which for the first time in living memory shows Lynx as the top for serviceability!
> On a more serious note: my objection to
> jointery is that diversity brings
> flexibility. The RAF/AAC/RN all have the
> sort of different nuances that make
> operations such as Northern Ireland work. > Additionally, I believe we are watching a > weak and half-hearted form of
> amalgamation, not jointery (a word
> invented for this very purpose).
For 'best practise' read lowest common denominator!
Thats a fair point and is down to chronic underfunding over a load of years allied to massive overcommitment rather than any inherent AAC/REME failings. Might be worth checking out the latest JHC rolling brief though which for the first time in living memory shows Lynx as the top for serviceability!
> On a more serious note: my objection to
> jointery is that diversity brings
> flexibility. The RAF/AAC/RN all have the
> sort of different nuances that make
> operations such as Northern Ireland work. > Additionally, I believe we are watching a > weak and half-hearted form of
> amalgamation, not jointery (a word
> invented for this very purpose).
For 'best practise' read lowest common denominator!
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Not true,
RAF loggies have lead the transformation of the DLO and have taken over the Army's hallowed centre of excellence at West Moors. They have been instrumental in not only saving cash by improving the way we do business but also have had a major insulating effect in preventing monumental cuts completely destroying the front line. (and before you hurl your accusations - make sure you are certain you know which organisation it is that has just screwed your yearly funding, our sister organisations make good examples of how it should not be done)
We have finally persuaded the Army to use an IT system that is not only more complex than a stand-alone 386 with MS Works on it, but one that we all actually use and we have battered our way into the Navy's Civvy empire and almost fainted at the complete detachment from front-line tasking and its link with finance that exists there.
Our eventual aim is to ensure that front line resources are matched to requirements (many beleive we have enough money to do this, its just not being used correctly) but we will have to fight our way through the inexplicable Group system and STC role offices first! That will take some time as we are completely out-ranked (your guess as to by which Branch members)
RAF loggies have lead the transformation of the DLO and have taken over the Army's hallowed centre of excellence at West Moors. They have been instrumental in not only saving cash by improving the way we do business but also have had a major insulating effect in preventing monumental cuts completely destroying the front line. (and before you hurl your accusations - make sure you are certain you know which organisation it is that has just screwed your yearly funding, our sister organisations make good examples of how it should not be done)
We have finally persuaded the Army to use an IT system that is not only more complex than a stand-alone 386 with MS Works on it, but one that we all actually use and we have battered our way into the Navy's Civvy empire and almost fainted at the complete detachment from front-line tasking and its link with finance that exists there.
Our eventual aim is to ensure that front line resources are matched to requirements (many beleive we have enough money to do this, its just not being used correctly) but we will have to fight our way through the inexplicable Group system and STC role offices first! That will take some time as we are completely out-ranked (your guess as to by which Branch members)
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Oh that's good. The next time I spend a few days within a couple of miles of a major international airport waiting for a "D state" spare part to arrive, I'll remind myself how good our loggies are.
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I hate to agree a with a stacker here in public But he has a point,
I'm in a TA unit which carries out an Air Support role north of the border (that narrows it down a tad!) When ever any squadron in the regiment needs spares for our plant we order it through the RAF system on our parent station and then transfer it ourselves from our HQ Squadron to the Squadron that needs it, it takes at least half the time than the dedicated army system takes and we usually even get the part we ordered which is always a bonus
But he has a point,I'm in a TA unit which carries out an Air Support role north of the border (that narrows it down a tad!) When ever any squadron in the regiment needs spares for our plant we order it through the RAF system on our parent station and then transfer it ourselves from our HQ Squadron to the Squadron that needs it, it takes at least half the time than the dedicated army system takes and we usually even get the part we ordered which is always a bonus
