FalKlands Run
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FalKlands Run
Recently heard a rumour that from spring 02 the Tri* will cease to operate the South Atlantic Schedule when an airline picks up the contract, possibly slipping through South America. Anyone out there got any more information?
Something about fare-paying passengers being carried on aircraft without Public Transport C of As, which are not maintained to civil standards, whose crews do not have ATPLs and which belong to a carrier without an Air Operator's Certificate, perhaps?
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Cant have you flying pax without an AOC or a valid C of A and as your crews dont have a licence how can we be sure that you are up to the job ?
Or is it that the CAA are protecting the jobs in the cristal palace at gatwick !
Or is it that the CAA are protecting the jobs in the cristal palace at gatwick !
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L1011 Flyer - enquiries reveal that the matter is still with RAF Legal who assert that they have the right to carry pax if they want to. CAA, of course, disagree. Contract will not be put out to tender until such time that the matter is resolved, with the decision going against the RAF.
Suggestion now is that with the cost of JAA licences, AOCs etc being so high, it would be cheaper if the RAF takes over all flying operations of BA, BD, VS etc - and with rearward facing seats, safer as well!
Suggestion now is that with the cost of JAA licences, AOCs etc being so high, it would be cheaper if the RAF takes over all flying operations of BA, BD, VS etc - and with rearward facing seats, safer as well!
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Last time I was on a Tri-motor, I recall the seats were forward facing. Something to do with, er what was it now, ah yes, COST 
When the originals were converted, they could not afford rear seats, and used the excuse of the angle of the floor being wrong in the cruise.
It's been a long time since I flew in one, so Guv, are you suggesting that safety has over ridden accountants for once, and rear facing seats are now fitted???
We fought and lost for rear facing seats to be fitted in our new aircraft, but they have agreed to 4 point harnesses.
When the originals were converted, they could not afford rear seats, and used the excuse of the angle of the floor being wrong in the cruise. It's been a long time since I flew in one, so Guv, are you suggesting that safety has over ridden accountants for once, and rear facing seats are now fitted???
We fought and lost for rear facing seats to be fitted in our new aircraft, but they have agreed to 4 point harnesses.
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D.T.W.H.
It has been several months since I have posted on this forum, however your last comment has awoken me! Have you been on a civilian aircraft recently? If so (please forgive the starting of a sentence with a preposition) can you name one that indeed has rearward facing seats? Forward facing seats are fitted to airliners for two important reasons, namely,
1)Most passengers prefer to face forwards!!
( Look the next time you are on a train )
2) The body angle achieved on initial climb would have most passengers "hanging on their straps".
P.S. The "angle" of the aircraft that you refer to is actually the body angle achieved on initial climb out. Believe it or not, it is actually governed by the Galley trolleys!! - they are liable to break free from their restraints and career backwards at a great rate of knots!
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It has been several months since I have posted on this forum, however your last comment has awoken me! Have you been on a civilian aircraft recently? If so (please forgive the starting of a sentence with a preposition) can you name one that indeed has rearward facing seats? Forward facing seats are fitted to airliners for two important reasons, namely,
1)Most passengers prefer to face forwards!!
( Look the next time you are on a train )
2) The body angle achieved on initial climb would have most passengers "hanging on their straps".
P.S. The "angle" of the aircraft that you refer to is actually the body angle achieved on initial climb out. Believe it or not, it is actually governed by the Galley trolleys!! - they are liable to break free from their restraints and career backwards at a great rate of knots!
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If the South Atlantic Flight goes private do you think they will still wake you up, 2 hrs before landing then tell you its an hour to meal time!. Or WOULD YOU LIKE SOME ORANGE JUICE? I do hope so, it just wouldn't be as much fun if they don't 
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If the RAF could afford more stewards and stewardesses then 216 Sqn could give as good a service as the airlines. The boys and girls on the Tri * are working their asses off, so stop your whingeing. Anyway their primary role is to get you out when it all goes horribly wrong, not serve oiks food and drink. Thank your lucky stars its orange juice, who knows what they'll do to yours next time, want chocolate bits on your capacino??? (Needs editing for spelling, no ISS!)
Agree - they work very hard on the Malvinas run. Don't knock 'em!!
I do wonder why the in-flight juice is invariably orange - it says 'fruit juice' on the carton, implying that somewhere there must be another flavour? And why is it always 'Italian lamb'.....
The majority of southbound passengers really don't want to be travelling, so some have been known to be unnecessarily rude to the cabin crew. That just is not on! You'll be very grateful when they get you out of the aircraft in an emergency.
Of course, northbound the whole Timmy team are everyone's favourite people! Although I still wonder why the ac takes off and turns south when it leaves from Base Aerea Gringo when anyone else going north checks whether the range is cold and then turns north......and why they persist in using the high speed exit at Ascension the wrong way round!
Happiness is PNR ASI northbound!!
I do wonder why the in-flight juice is invariably orange - it says 'fruit juice' on the carton, implying that somewhere there must be another flavour? And why is it always 'Italian lamb'.....
The majority of southbound passengers really don't want to be travelling, so some have been known to be unnecessarily rude to the cabin crew. That just is not on! You'll be very grateful when they get you out of the aircraft in an emergency.
Of course, northbound the whole Timmy team are everyone's favourite people! Although I still wonder why the ac takes off and turns south when it leaves from Base Aerea Gringo when anyone else going north checks whether the range is cold and then turns north......and why they persist in using the high speed exit at Ascension the wrong way round!
Happiness is PNR ASI northbound!!
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When it all goes wrong? What in a Tristar? Never! And how many people do you think would survive in the water (if they got out of the ac anyway) dressed in their Ascension Island T-shirts; in the South Atlantic.
Warm Orange Squash please....Oh no, Just remembered, Don't have to go again to that place (never say never again!).... 36 Days to go..and yes I am counting.
Warm Orange Squash please....Oh no, Just remembered, Don't have to go again to that place (never say never again!).... 36 Days to go..and yes I am counting.
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Anyone know the pilot of the first RAF Tristar to fly the UK - Ascension route in July 1983? Best bit was the wheels up pass along the runway to announce his arrival. Luxury went downhill after that - Herc airbridge for the lucky few or 2 weeks on the Keren.
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Beagle. You never know what may be lurking in the dark of that high speed loop! Donkeys,C17s,Follow me's have all been found in there. Much better to cruise passed and check it out than commit and have to stand on the brakes in a hurry. Don't you think old chap.
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What happens if the Argentines decide to play political hard ball and block all attemtps to set up a civian shuttle unless it is an argentine airline and runs through an Argie staging post?
Hope the foreign office have been doing their honmework and that someone speaks to them before they cave in to the parochial CAA.
Hope the foreign office have been doing their honmework and that someone speaks to them before they cave in to the parochial CAA.
Perhaps someone will wake up to the fact that non-military passengers could fly from UK-Santiago-Base Aerea Gringo, Islas Malvinas, by LAN Chile?
That might make it more expensive for contractors to support the wretched place - and hence make more expensive to garrison it.....leading to more civilian usage? More investment in infrastructure and civilian needs? An airport hotel? The second runway extended? A taxiway built? Cable and Witless to commission a cell phone system??
That might make it more expensive for contractors to support the wretched place - and hence make more expensive to garrison it.....leading to more civilian usage? More investment in infrastructure and civilian needs? An airport hotel? The second runway extended? A taxiway built? Cable and Witless to commission a cell phone system??
Or when will Cable & Witless stop ripping of the poor souls who just want to speak to Wifey & kids for 5 minutes (that'll be £5 gone off your phonecard!)??
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And you guys thought that the Falklands were cold? 
And you guys thought that the Falklands were cold?
Guvnor,
Very good. The TWO places the tube will be inserted when the Earth gets an enema.
Very good. The TWO places the tube will be inserted when the Earth gets an enema.
So, the CAA are running the RAF now eh? Very sad when the civvie authorities can make rulings that stick with the military.
How long will it be before they insist on having a CAA inspector type rated on every military aircraft to make sure that "it's being dun proper".
Sad. very sad. Glad I'm not in any more.
Doc C.
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How long will it be before they insist on having a CAA inspector type rated on every military aircraft to make sure that "it's being dun proper".
Sad. very sad. Glad I'm not in any more.
Doc C.
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