OASC Any Tips?
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Tangoman, sound advice here
Be yourself, stay switched on, get your mental arithmetic sorted, remember it comes in 2 distinct parts. Don't be downhearted when people start leaving after pt1 who u thought were ok, stay positive - stick to your guns if you know you're in the right during your individual planning then they want to see that strength of character come through, but balance it up without being arrogant.
It is actually enjoyable !
Good luck - let us know how it went.
p.s check http://www.timc.clara.net/raf.htm
Be yourself, stay switched on, get your mental arithmetic sorted, remember it comes in 2 distinct parts. Don't be downhearted when people start leaving after pt1 who u thought were ok, stay positive - stick to your guns if you know you're in the right during your individual planning then they want to see that strength of character come through, but balance it up without being arrogant.
It is actually enjoyable !
Good luck - let us know how it went.
p.s check http://www.timc.clara.net/raf.htm
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Hey Tango man,
Good luck, and do let us know how it goes..I shall be watching this space..as i said i am not due till sept..On another note guys, any advice for ground crew? I am too old for pilot B""££gger and I do not like water or cramped ship space hence why i am not jumping on the navy..I am going in as a Flt ops officer..so what should i expect??
Good luck, and do let us know how it goes..I shall be watching this space..as i said i am not due till sept..On another note guys, any advice for ground crew? I am too old for pilot B""££gger and I do not like water or cramped ship space hence why i am not jumping on the navy..I am going in as a Flt ops officer..so what should i expect??
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jet jones, if you want pilot and are too old for the RAF - then you obviously don't want it that bad if you're giving up and going ground crew (- no offence to ground branches).
The FAA accept up to age 26, if you've got the "right stuff" and you want to be a mil pilot - get yourself on the AIB.
If u go ground branch and have always wanted to fly - then think long and hard where you'll be in 10 years time? They will look at your motivation in GREAT DEPTH.
- good luck for sept.
The FAA accept up to age 26, if you've got the "right stuff" and you want to be a mil pilot - get yourself on the AIB.
If u go ground branch and have always wanted to fly - then think long and hard where you'll be in 10 years time? They will look at your motivation in GREAT DEPTH.
- good luck for sept.
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Thanks jjj for the reply..I have thought hard about it...I like the Mil way of life and I guess I will be close enough to AC...I will still continue to fly..while I am in...the Raf needs pilots so what is to stop me transfering with the right quals?? There was a guy on this forum about a week ago who is 27 and with an ATPL who is trying to get in. What is the AIB anyway??
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The AIB is the Admiralty Interview Board, held in Gosport, Hants. 3-4 days of testing akin to the OASC. I've sat and passed both but failed the final selection for the RAF i've now got Navy Pilot starting Sept. So if u want some indepth info on both you can private email me. I would advise you NOT to go ground branch and then transfer to aircrew later. They invest £££ in your future as a ATC, Flt ops etc... It's a risk mate.....look about! Even Civvy if u have the capital.
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I think you may be refering to myself. (27 with ATPL-I'm actually 26) Like Jump Johnny Jump, I was put forward for pilot (although for the RN), but failed the final selection. My liason officer said that although my AIB scores were good, they were not good enough to make the cut. He advised me to either reattend the AIB or join directly as a Warfare Ofiicer (Ships Officer)and sub-specialize as pilot later. As I wanted a longer career in the RN, I decided to take the latter option.
I joined BRNC last year and, to my absolute amazement, was offered a Pilot slot on my second day after my DO had read my file (its all flying and more flying). However, five weeks later, the same DO said that he had been in error and I would not be permitted to train as a pilot, as they had just changed the upper age limit for pilot training from under 26 on entry into Dartmouth, to under 26 on commencment of JEFTS- I was two months beyond this age criteria.
After a further four weeks, I VOLWFS.
The Flight Officer at Dartmouth told me that "older guys" did not train very well (I must assume then that their aptitude tests are not valdating!) and dismissed any opportunity for flying in the future. Nevertheless, there was a considerable ammount of ambiguity about this when I submitted my request for withdrawal, as two senior officers asked me if I would consider staying if I was offered a pilot slot.
Making an assesment based on my experience, I think that the training back log which places many pilot condidates on "hold over" for some considerable period, raises their concerns for useful return of service when pilots finally come out of the training pipeline. The oldest pilot in my entry (apart from me!) was 24 and most were under 23.
Out of curiosity, a few weeks ago, I asked what experiences military IPs had with training "older guys". I only got one response, but Cooperman was kind enough to say (in summary), that he could not see that age really made a difference, especially if you were pre-qualified (I was already a COM/IR FI) when I joined. I just asked as I may have an opportunity to join the US National Guard as they consider candidates for pilot training up to 32, if you are already a proffesional pilot- I guess F-16s are easier learns to fly!
Anyway, my advice is to give it a shot if you want, don't take anything less than Pilot and get everything in writing. However, Definitely DO NOT JOIN IF YOU DO NOT LIKE CRAMPED SHIPS OR THE OGGIN! You will spend most of your time as an officer, in a cramped ship, on the sea and only about 200 hours a year in the blue yonder (a quarter of what I fly as a civvie).
Good Luck
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I think you may be refering to myself. (27 with ATPL-I'm actually 26) Like Jump Johnny Jump, I was put forward for pilot (although for the RN), but failed the final selection. My liason officer said that although my AIB scores were good, they were not good enough to make the cut. He advised me to either reattend the AIB or join directly as a Warfare Ofiicer (Ships Officer)and sub-specialize as pilot later. As I wanted a longer career in the RN, I decided to take the latter option.
I joined BRNC last year and, to my absolute amazement, was offered a Pilot slot on my second day after my DO had read my file (its all flying and more flying). However, five weeks later, the same DO said that he had been in error and I would not be permitted to train as a pilot, as they had just changed the upper age limit for pilot training from under 26 on entry into Dartmouth, to under 26 on commencment of JEFTS- I was two months beyond this age criteria.
After a further four weeks, I VOLWFS.
The Flight Officer at Dartmouth told me that "older guys" did not train very well (I must assume then that their aptitude tests are not valdating!) and dismissed any opportunity for flying in the future. Nevertheless, there was a considerable ammount of ambiguity about this when I submitted my request for withdrawal, as two senior officers asked me if I would consider staying if I was offered a pilot slot.
Making an assesment based on my experience, I think that the training back log which places many pilot condidates on "hold over" for some considerable period, raises their concerns for useful return of service when pilots finally come out of the training pipeline. The oldest pilot in my entry (apart from me!) was 24 and most were under 23.
Out of curiosity, a few weeks ago, I asked what experiences military IPs had with training "older guys". I only got one response, but Cooperman was kind enough to say (in summary), that he could not see that age really made a difference, especially if you were pre-qualified (I was already a COM/IR FI) when I joined. I just asked as I may have an opportunity to join the US National Guard as they consider candidates for pilot training up to 32, if you are already a proffesional pilot- I guess F-16s are easier learns to fly!
Anyway, my advice is to give it a shot if you want, don't take anything less than Pilot and get everything in writing. However, Definitely DO NOT JOIN IF YOU DO NOT LIKE CRAMPED SHIPS OR THE OGGIN! You will spend most of your time as an officer, in a cramped ship, on the sea and only about 200 hours a year in the blue yonder (a quarter of what I fly as a civvie).
Good Luck
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Hi JJJ, I'm in the Sep BRNC entry too, as firstly Warfare but also as a reserve Observer. I'm an ex serving RAF officer (and chopped pilot!) so if there's anything about the broad stroke of initial officer training you want to know please email at [email protected]
Obviously I can't advise on the specifically naval aspects of training bu the other stuff may well be fairly similar.
Rgds
BGinner (artist formerly known as Bad Livin')
Obviously I can't advise on the specifically naval aspects of training bu the other stuff may well be fairly similar.
Rgds
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BGinner (bad livin!) good to hear mate, i'll be in touch but i'm away for the w/end for some light refreshments.
cheers mate - looking forward to BRNC (screams heard in background!!)
cheers mate - looking forward to BRNC (screams heard in background!!)
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Hey Guys Thanks for all the info and tips but I didnt make it past the interview. But there is always next year. For anyone else who is going through dont be to nervous through the interview be relaxed.
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JJJ
A Medley of advice for BRNC:
Have the cleats put on your shoes ASAP
and start bulling your shoes as soon as you get them back.
Use the back of your note book to write down daily orders in the morning and memorize them in your spare time (spare time!?).
Get a cap from Gieves- they're much more comfortable than the Navy issue.
Get a good quality iron and a spray bottle( SB should be available in the BRNC store)!!
When ironing your clothes use a handkerchief so the iron doesn't blow crap all over your shirt at the last moment (The iron does know when you've almost finished).
Soak your beret and start moulding it to your head on the first night, so you lose the Frank Spencer look as soon as possible.
Buy "Rule of the Road" from a sailing store, a book second only in loathsomeness to Mein Kampf, and memorize the whole thing verbatim.
When you come to the speech module, choose topics to lecture on that you know thoroughly! and do not choose "The importance of fixed wing naval aviation", because there's nothing in the library on it(no wonder the RAF have been able to bash the FAA with near impunity!)
Start washing your kit as often as possible to remove the fire retardant rubbish that covers it. Until its gone, it feels like someone starched it with a firehose!
Just keep one days kit in you're lockers and standardise the arrangement of kit between everone in the cabin.
Also, make sure all the beds are made the same i.e. with the same foldback etc.
During rounds, keep cleaning right up to you here "Cabin Ho"s, for some reason the dust can reacumulate within five minutes of being wiped.
Don't moan (too much) Don't pretend you know it all (because you can't) and help other guys that are struggling, even if they are not trying, as their mistakes will be everyone else's problem.
Make sure you know what is, where is, and when is EVERY EVOLUTION and make sure everyone else in your division knows!
Do not, I repeat do not, shout at, or say anything that could be mis-construed as slanderous to any other cadets, but especially arabs (no matter how much they mince, or how much you are getting a beastying for them mincing!)
Senior officers are always right about everything even if they are patently wrong.
Don't ask questions during lectures.
but the best advice of all. . . be the grey man and shine only in your perfomance.
JJJ, there's to much to much to list, but anyway best of luck shipmate, enjoy it (it's only rough for two months) and look forward to launching of a pitching and rolling deck!
A Medley of advice for BRNC:
Have the cleats put on your shoes ASAP
and start bulling your shoes as soon as you get them back.
Use the back of your note book to write down daily orders in the morning and memorize them in your spare time (spare time!?).
Get a cap from Gieves- they're much more comfortable than the Navy issue.
Get a good quality iron and a spray bottle( SB should be available in the BRNC store)!!
When ironing your clothes use a handkerchief so the iron doesn't blow crap all over your shirt at the last moment (The iron does know when you've almost finished).
Soak your beret and start moulding it to your head on the first night, so you lose the Frank Spencer look as soon as possible.
Buy "Rule of the Road" from a sailing store, a book second only in loathsomeness to Mein Kampf, and memorize the whole thing verbatim.
When you come to the speech module, choose topics to lecture on that you know thoroughly! and do not choose "The importance of fixed wing naval aviation", because there's nothing in the library on it(no wonder the RAF have been able to bash the FAA with near impunity!)
Start washing your kit as often as possible to remove the fire retardant rubbish that covers it. Until its gone, it feels like someone starched it with a firehose!
Just keep one days kit in you're lockers and standardise the arrangement of kit between everone in the cabin.
Also, make sure all the beds are made the same i.e. with the same foldback etc.
During rounds, keep cleaning right up to you here "Cabin Ho"s, for some reason the dust can reacumulate within five minutes of being wiped.
Don't moan (too much) Don't pretend you know it all (because you can't) and help other guys that are struggling, even if they are not trying, as their mistakes will be everyone else's problem.
Make sure you know what is, where is, and when is EVERY EVOLUTION and make sure everyone else in your division knows!
Do not, I repeat do not, shout at, or say anything that could be mis-construed as slanderous to any other cadets, but especially arabs (no matter how much they mince, or how much you are getting a beastying for them mincing!)
Senior officers are always right about everything even if they are patently wrong.
Don't ask questions during lectures.
but the best advice of all. . . be the grey man and shine only in your perfomance.
JJJ, there's to much to much to list, but anyway best of luck shipmate, enjoy it (it's only rough for two months) and look forward to launching of a pitching and rolling deck!
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CAVU, what can i say mate - thanks for the advice, i'm looking forward to it but yep - 2 months in the S**te, 
oh well!! Thanks again, mate!
Give you a shout when it's all over - good luck over there, save some of those 'californian gals' for when we visit!
BL - i'll also be in touch soon.
Cheers,
oh well!! Thanks again, mate!Give you a shout when it's all over - good luck over there, save some of those 'californian gals' for when we visit!
BL - i'll also be in touch soon.
Cheers,
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Bad livin
Thats Affirm, beleive there's a link through the member profile or you can try [email protected]
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Thats Affirm, beleive there's a link through the member profile or you can try [email protected]
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