Operation Saif Sareea 2 Information
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Operation Saif Sareea 2 Information
Hiya folks,
Sorry to post another thread like this. But I am interested to find out some background information and current details about Saif Sareea 2, and 1 if its available. Does anyone know where I might be able to find such information? I'm not after anything classified, restricted or so on.
Thanks for your time.
Rusty
[ 27 July 2001: Message edited by: Rusty Cessna ]
Sorry to post another thread like this. But I am interested to find out some background information and current details about Saif Sareea 2, and 1 if its available. Does anyone know where I might be able to find such information? I'm not after anything classified, restricted or so on.
Thanks for your time.
Rusty
[ 27 July 2001: Message edited by: Rusty Cessna ]
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What! no steps!
I have the basic info from Navy News and what not, but I'm after some more in depth reading, call me sad!
Ta,
Rusty
[ 27 July 2001: Message edited by: Rusty Cessna ]
I have the basic info from Navy News and what not, but I'm after some more in depth reading, call me sad!
Ta,
Rusty
[ 27 July 2001: Message edited by: Rusty Cessna ]
Just don't expect to see Nackojacko, Sluicemousse or Gainesy. There are 15 press places, 13 of which have gone to TV and video (and I hope local and Fleet St Press) leaving two slots for the aviation press. The MoD choices are (natch) safe non-Pruning reporters who'll ruffle no feathers.
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I've seen the accomodation plot for Seeb, and I must say, I just can't wait for my month under canvas without the pleasure of air conditioning.
It's just not the same as the Intercon or the Crown Plaza!! I won't have a room bill for a start and I won't have the hassle of going to work every morning in a hire car!!
It's just not the same as the Intercon or the Crown Plaza!! I won't have a room bill for a start and I won't have the hassle of going to work every morning in a hire car!!
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Thankfully I'm not going - but talking to the unlucky E3D crew who are going I will be very surprised if they get airborne! Flight safety is the word being branded about. They don't appear too happy about sharing a sweaty tent with a bunch of snorers. So after they've had a good night's kip they will be more than willing to fly an 8 hour mission! Some how how I think some one is kidding some one. Apparently this issue has been raised with the powers to be but the answer came back - "You are still going - it doesn't matter if you don't fly!" The bottom line is that we all have rules and regulations that we follow - and break at your own peril. If the crew were to fly they will have to contravine a whole host of regs. This is OK until something goes horribly wrong! Then you will be hung out to dry as you broke the orders which clearly state .......
.......so if it doesn't matter if you don't fly, why are you going? Presumably the same fatigue rules will apply to everyone else - so if it all grinds to a halt on day 2 because 'they' wouldn't fork out for the abundant and readily available local accommodation, who will be to blame? Not that I'm inciting rebellion, but the way that morale is these days, I can't see many people accepting being pressured to fly.
"You want to fly it, Sir? Fine - the keys are behind the Ops desk. But you'll be flying it solo!"
We didn't live in $hit in the Gulf WAR, so why are people expected to in a PEACETIME EXERCISE??
"You want to fly it, Sir? Fine - the keys are behind the Ops desk. But you'll be flying it solo!"
We didn't live in $hit in the Gulf WAR, so why are people expected to in a PEACETIME EXERCISE??
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It seems like an awfully expensive way of proving that we are no longer able to organize a det of this magnitude... or is it just part of the ongoing aircrew retention drive?! 
Scorpius, BEagle et al,
'Sfunny, but I seem to remember a particular corner of the Gulf War where aircrew slept in tented accom during the day then did their 8-10 hour night sorties. We slept like logs, too - except when the Saudi F5 driver pushed the wrong button and pickled his 750lb-ers 2 miles off the end of the threshhold. Flight Safety was not affected by the sleeping arrangements - we'd have moved somewhere different if it had been.
However, as this doubtless goes against the grain of the campaign for peacetime comfort I'll get me coat. And me sleeping bag, Spam folding bed, groundsheet....
For what it's worth, the only snag I ever had on Loan Service in Oman with sleeping in the ulu on those 2-week border patrol dets was believing the myths about camel spiders - which aren't spiders at all, apparently.
Have fun, but don't use minor inconvenience or the perceived scope for discomfort as a Flight Safety excuse. A reason to leave and fly for the airlines maybe, but not a Flight Safety excuse...
(couldn't spell threshhold. Still not sure if I can...)
[ 29 July 2001: Message edited by: Thud_and_Blunder ]
'Sfunny, but I seem to remember a particular corner of the Gulf War where aircrew slept in tented accom during the day then did their 8-10 hour night sorties. We slept like logs, too - except when the Saudi F5 driver pushed the wrong button and pickled his 750lb-ers 2 miles off the end of the threshhold. Flight Safety was not affected by the sleeping arrangements - we'd have moved somewhere different if it had been.
However, as this doubtless goes against the grain of the campaign for peacetime comfort I'll get me coat. And me sleeping bag, Spam folding bed, groundsheet....
For what it's worth, the only snag I ever had on Loan Service in Oman with sleeping in the ulu on those 2-week border patrol dets was believing the myths about camel spiders - which aren't spiders at all, apparently.
Have fun, but don't use minor inconvenience or the perceived scope for discomfort as a Flight Safety excuse. A reason to leave and fly for the airlines maybe, but not a Flight Safety excuse...
(couldn't spell threshhold. Still not sure if I can...)
[ 29 July 2001: Message edited by: Thud_and_Blunder ]
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I would have thought there would be no problem sleeping after a hard days work or was that whingeing about no hotels and lack of rates etc.
DRAW UP A SANDBAG AND I'LL TELL YOU A STORY!!
DRAW UP A SANDBAG AND I'LL TELL YOU A STORY!!
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Without wishing to gain the wrath of those of you complaining about the sub-standard accom, I would like to point out that until recently a large number of us were doing equally long stints in tented accommodation in Al's Garage.
It was always a boost to morale to know that when the VC10/Herc unloaded its human cargo the crews were off to the Bahrain Diplomat for a bit of well earned R&R. Don't get me wrong, as far as I am concerned I didn't begrudge you your lovely hotel, I just wished that I could have had the same. As, I am sure, do the current unfortunate Sqn who are occupying the rather unpleasent accom in AAS.
My point however, is that believe it or not, you are in the military, and sometimes we in the military are asked to do things that aren't exactly in keeping with our idea of a cosy life. So what? If you don't like it, go and join the airlines, like many of you keep threatening to do. Continuously whining about a lack of quality accom on a public website is an embarrassment. There are always people worse off than you, who have to do jobs that are as important, and as difficult as flying, without bleating about lack of sleep. B4 anybody asks, yes my Sqn is going, and no, given the choice I wouldn't, but sometimes, you just have to get on with it and maybe set an example by grinning and baring it. With the right attitude you may even enjoy it, God forbid.
Standing by for the tirade & insults.
[ 30 July 2001: Message edited by: DESPERADO ]
It was always a boost to morale to know that when the VC10/Herc unloaded its human cargo the crews were off to the Bahrain Diplomat for a bit of well earned R&R. Don't get me wrong, as far as I am concerned I didn't begrudge you your lovely hotel, I just wished that I could have had the same. As, I am sure, do the current unfortunate Sqn who are occupying the rather unpleasent accom in AAS.
My point however, is that believe it or not, you are in the military, and sometimes we in the military are asked to do things that aren't exactly in keeping with our idea of a cosy life. So what? If you don't like it, go and join the airlines, like many of you keep threatening to do. Continuously whining about a lack of quality accom on a public website is an embarrassment. There are always people worse off than you, who have to do jobs that are as important, and as difficult as flying, without bleating about lack of sleep. B4 anybody asks, yes my Sqn is going, and no, given the choice I wouldn't, but sometimes, you just have to get on with it and maybe set an example by grinning and baring it. With the right attitude you may even enjoy it, God forbid.
Standing by for the tirade & insults.
[ 30 July 2001: Message edited by: DESPERADO ]
It's not a question of 'hotels and rates' - it's a question of providing proper rest facilities which will not compromise the ability to mount sustained flying activities in a peacetime exercise environment.
The 'rigid' tentage used in Incirlik was reasonable enough - but was US provided. Somehow I don't see our lot being able to provide anything that good; whether anyone will get much sleep camped out at an extremely busy international airport is a different matter!
The VC10/Herc crew which brought you out to Al's or AAS normally have only the bare minimum time off permitted under GASOs before flying a rather happier bunch of bunnies back to the UK!
[ 30 July 2001: Message edited by: BEagle ]
The 'rigid' tentage used in Incirlik was reasonable enough - but was US provided. Somehow I don't see our lot being able to provide anything that good; whether anyone will get much sleep camped out at an extremely busy international airport is a different matter!
The VC10/Herc crew which brought you out to Al's or AAS normally have only the bare minimum time off permitted under GASOs before flying a rather happier bunch of bunnies back to the UK!
[ 30 July 2001: Message edited by: BEagle ]
Before some of the aircrew start whinging, spare a thought for everyone else on the exercise who aren't in air conditioned tents! As far as I can ascertain, the only aircon tents are reserved for aircrew so that they can get a decent night's kip.
Having done several stints in Al's Garage and Q8 I can't see the point in moaning about it ...... life is always a lot sweeter if you accept the fact and get on with it. It's not going to be pleasant, but it'll be a damned sight worse if you have the wrong attitude.
Having done several stints in Al's Garage and Q8 I can't see the point in moaning about it ...... life is always a lot sweeter if you accept the fact and get on with it. It's not going to be pleasant, but it'll be a damned sight worse if you have the wrong attitude.