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"In real physical systems a quantum leap is not necessarily a large change, and can in fact be very insignificant"
Goodness me, I am getting seriously boring, but there it is....................
Hope you are right.
Still, as long as it is a quantum leap over its predecessor
Goodness me, I am getting seriously boring, but there it is....................
Hope you are right.
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Future Lynx/Lynx Wildcat/AW 159
A rose by any other name.......
The New AW159 Takes To The Air | AgustaWestland
The New AW159 Takes To The Air | AgustaWestland
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Thank you for that, and I am now correctly informed.
Sadly though, my tongue was in my cheek as I typed that last bit of the post, and I was thinking more of how there will be fewer cabs available, and they will have less room inside, and be able to do fewer jobs over the battlefield IMHO.
The Lynx has IMHO always been a good naval helicopter (and its export sales suggest this too), but then a lack of being able to carry a stretcher straight into the naval version was hardly going to be a major issue, but with thirty odd years of development for the army version, it is still a feature sadly lacking (unlike most of it's real competitors (and even the Scout could just get one in with door blisters...in the 1960's)).
Sorry if my earlier comments mislead you about my feelings for this purchase.
But I can't see how this order helps British jobs either, bearing in mind that the very same Westlands staff could have been building UK Blackhawks, with British engine fit (bearing in mind the differing performances of UK and U.S made apaches). I realise that politics (military and governmental) are the real driver behind this order, but am allowing myself to live in a dreamworld, where actual needs and capability would be the placed in front of political image.
Off into a corner to have stern words with myself, for showing idealism
Thank you for that, and I am now correctly informed.
Sadly though, my tongue was in my cheek as I typed that last bit of the post, and I was thinking more of how there will be fewer cabs available, and they will have less room inside, and be able to do fewer jobs over the battlefield IMHO.
The Lynx has IMHO always been a good naval helicopter (and its export sales suggest this too), but then a lack of being able to carry a stretcher straight into the naval version was hardly going to be a major issue, but with thirty odd years of development for the army version, it is still a feature sadly lacking (unlike most of it's real competitors (and even the Scout could just get one in with door blisters...in the 1960's)).
Sorry if my earlier comments mislead you about my feelings for this purchase.
But I can't see how this order helps British jobs either, bearing in mind that the very same Westlands staff could have been building UK Blackhawks, with British engine fit (bearing in mind the differing performances of UK and U.S made apaches). I realise that politics (military and governmental) are the real driver behind this order, but am allowing myself to live in a dreamworld, where actual needs and capability would be the placed in front of political image.
Off into a corner to have stern words with myself, for showing idealism
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Oh for Black Hawks even now..........................
I would love to know the costings on this new Lynx - probably cheaper to have built Black Hawks, even with the amazing costings of the well known garage door builder
Oh for Black Hawks even now..........................
I would love to know the costings on this new Lynx - probably cheaper to have built Black Hawks, even with the amazing costings of the well known garage door builder
Always thought "Lynx Wildcat" was a bit of a daft name... after all lynxes and wildcats are two different kinds of cats altogether! Either one or t'other, both is just silly. Glad they've sorted it now
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A while back another poster did mention the differing costings, as well as a too good to be true offer to buy Blackhawks direct from the U.S.
I don't remember though if that deal was as a Puma replacement.
I know others here have a far more info than me on this subject, and may choose to post it (if they feel it doesn't detract from the wildcat news).
A while back another poster did mention the differing costings, as well as a too good to be true offer to buy Blackhawks direct from the U.S.
I don't remember though if that deal was as a Puma replacement.
I know others here have a far more info than me on this subject, and may choose to post it (if they feel it doesn't detract from the wildcat news).
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Thanks for that.
I read that one a while back. Yon is the only reporter that I bother to read/watch now. He seems to know his stuff, and comes across as very fair and unbiased.
It's just a shame he has been recently shafted by the MOD.
Thanks for that
.I read that one a while back. Yon is the only reporter that I bother to read/watch now. He seems to know his stuff, and comes across as very fair and unbiased.
It's just a shame he has been recently shafted by the MOD.
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but then a lack of being able to carry a stretcher straight into the naval version was hardly going to be a major issue
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Just to confirm, without full seating - a stretcher will fit, in any varient. Even more medics will fit when you want to get them there fast, a good use of the Wildcat.
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Damn Vec, I hope I never have the misfortune to serve in an FF/DD with you! Why is it that small ships flights never drop below Alert 45? Casevac/SAR....thats right! Hope you never break a leg on board (someone is likely to push you down a hatch at some point wth the amount of garbage you utter!) Ah, sorry, can't fly you off "there is no need to carry a stretcher on board a Navy Lynx"
With the amount of bo^*")ks spouted by you in the last few hours on a number of threads (Dust Landings, Aircrewmans roles etc) anyone would think you are a bitterly twisted chopped ATC, with no idea of aviation, certainly in the maritime environment.
Ever thought of becoming a pusser?
You give the FAA a bad name, now sod off!
Grrrrr, and its not even 9am!
With the amount of bo^*")ks spouted by you in the last few hours on a number of threads (Dust Landings, Aircrewmans roles etc) anyone would think you are a bitterly twisted chopped ATC, with no idea of aviation, certainly in the maritime environment.
Ever thought of becoming a pusser?
You give the FAA a bad name, now sod off!
Grrrrr, and its not even 9am!
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If you want to fit a stretcher in the aircraft you are going to need to build a bigger aircraft. The Lightweight stretcher doesn't fit in the back of a Maritime Lynx without having the need to remove seats. If you remove the seats there is nowhere for anyone to sit. It is possible to winch using a Lightweight stretcher but it then means that the rescue hoist is in the way of the casualty. The last "Casualty" who was flown inside a stretcher inside an RN Lynx ended up with a broken nose for his troubles because the winch hook twatted him on the bonce. The aim is to transfer the casualty from a hostile environment to the safety of a medical facility....not to injury him in the process.
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I think you mis understood my post.
I was pointing out that the lack of being able to put a stretcher straight into a naval lynx* was not a problem, whereas it would be with an army one, as it may need to land as then take off much more rapidly.
I realise that navy personnel need stretchers too, but then for many jobs, the helicopter may be able to land on board ship, or have time to winch and then swing the stretcher around inside the cab.
*Please, no one take any offence at the term navy lynx. I was thinking of the lynx in its strictly naval role, rather than the way it can also operate in support of ground troops, or as used by the Royal Marines.
I think you mis understood my post.
I was pointing out that the lack of being able to put a stretcher straight into a naval lynx* was not a problem, whereas it would be with an army one, as it may need to land as then take off much more rapidly.
I realise that navy personnel need stretchers too, but then for many jobs, the helicopter may be able to land on board ship, or have time to winch and then swing the stretcher around inside the cab.
*Please, no one take any offence at the term navy lynx. I was thinking of the lynx in its strictly naval role, rather than the way it can also operate in support of ground troops, or as used by the Royal Marines.
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Chaps, just to confirm - the Wildcat is a Wildcat, it will do the same thing regardless of pilot colour (the ac are the same colour). The Army are well versed in taking casualties (picking them up I mean) and have done for years.
It is a fast (faster than the old Lynx) utility (define that as you like) and 'could' be fitted as a strike ac (Navy will be - let’s see how long Gen Melchett takes to put them on the Army Wildcat?) so making it an agile, cheap (compared to an AH), fully glass with top end EO (been proved the lookdown has little problems) aircraft that can find even the coldest of baddie. It can use comms with crew or pax to assist the task and can fly 365 days per year now, regardless of heat. It will do more than 90kts, break less than it's bigger brother, cost 'A LOT' less to maintain the the UH60 and above all else - is a real wheeze to fly (well should be if it is like it’s parent).
Any questions?????
It is a fast (faster than the old Lynx) utility (define that as you like) and 'could' be fitted as a strike ac (Navy will be - let’s see how long Gen Melchett takes to put them on the Army Wildcat?) so making it an agile, cheap (compared to an AH), fully glass with top end EO (been proved the lookdown has little problems) aircraft that can find even the coldest of baddie. It can use comms with crew or pax to assist the task and can fly 365 days per year now, regardless of heat. It will do more than 90kts, break less than it's bigger brother, cost 'A LOT' less to maintain the the UH60 and above all else - is a real wheeze to fly (well should be if it is like it’s parent).
Any questions?????
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Does it have an ESM? ECM ?
Helmet integration? Link 22? SATCOM? EPLRS? 2 sticks? Rescue hoist?
Above all do you think we will get a Mission Planning tool? (That doesn't look like AMPA)
Helmet integration? Link 22? SATCOM? EPLRS? 2 sticks? Rescue hoist?
Above all do you think we will get a Mission Planning tool? (That doesn't look like AMPA)
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Does it have an ESM? ECM ?
Helmet integration? Link 22? SATCOM? EPLRS? 2 sticks? Rescue hoist?
Above all do you think we will get a Mission Planning tool? (That doesn't look like AMPA)
Helmet integration? Link 22? SATCOM? EPLRS? 2 sticks? Rescue hoist?
Above all do you think we will get a Mission Planning tool? (That doesn't look like AMPA)
Helmet yes (but not bought them yet) 22 - fitted for, yes, don't know what they are?, yes - if you want to fit them (Army - yes), hoist - again yes.
MPS - yes, son of and fully functioning.
Any more not classified?
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Brilliant....now how about a couple of Simulators..? I understand that nobody has thought about how we are going to train people yet? In Fact the TNA has yet to be completed.