BAES Bungs
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Jabba,
No need to be sorry. We have very different views over the issue, and I can respect that. Innocent until proven guilty - and thus far, I've seen little of proof here (nor on the previous forum).
No need to be sorry. We have very different views over the issue, and I can respect that. Innocent until proven guilty - and thus far, I've seen little of proof here (nor on the previous forum).
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There are some very naive and simplistic views already posted on this thread. Whilst I do not pretend to know the foreign sales market inside out, what little I know is that competition is fierce, not just on quality and price but also on influence. Often there are influential corrupt locals in the procurement chain and no sale is possible without their backing.
Is it better not to sell to them and let the French, Russian, American or Chinese get the contract?
Some people need to realise that the price usually reflects the cost of this 'influence'.
But why do we pay so much for our kit????
Is it better not to sell to them and let the French, Russian, American or Chinese get the contract?
Some people need to realise that the price usually reflects the cost of this 'influence'.
But why do we pay so much for our kit????
Once, as a mere QA Engineer, I was tasked with transferring a BAe146 from a central african country back to the EU.
The Project fell down when I asked for approx £100K to deal with the unexpected admin costs of civil and military officials, customs and police.
It happens all around us - I've seen what a large US airframer donates in the way of golfing and weekend jaunts to potential buyer's staff. And its not just limited to sizeable organisations either. How many politicians and civil servants have been caught? Anyone for a Floating Duck-House?
And whilst I note the rise in international "Conduct" training that may give loads of staff some new certificates, we may be training the wrong people anyway.
The Project fell down when I asked for approx £100K to deal with the unexpected admin costs of civil and military officials, customs and police.
It happens all around us - I've seen what a large US airframer donates in the way of golfing and weekend jaunts to potential buyer's staff. And its not just limited to sizeable organisations either. How many politicians and civil servants have been caught? Anyone for a Floating Duck-House?
And whilst I note the rise in international "Conduct" training that may give loads of staff some new certificates, we may be training the wrong people anyway.
