Bulldog v. Grob
Pretty poor that the UAS/EFTS trainer requirement couldn't have been used to give work to UK industry, and kick-start the UK lightplane industry even if the SAH-1 (say) had been more expensive than the Grob, and/or inferior.
Run a competition, by all means, and if UK plc can't get in the right ballpark price and capability wise, then give the order to the box-heads, but this lowest bidder nonsense gets on my wick.
Run a competition, by all means, and if UK plc can't get in the right ballpark price and capability wise, then give the order to the box-heads, but this lowest bidder nonsense gets on my wick.
Zlin 242 was rejected from the final clutch and it is fully IFR certified, made of metal and is really really good to land - you can play it like a harp with just a few hours of circuit bashing - shame they chose plastic-fantastic.
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Didn't you forget an aircraft in your list above?
How about the jetstream and follow in the line of all great Sadstauas holding officers!
All that practise you're getting at driving Sharans at the moment should help no end!
Didn't you forget an aircraft in your list above?
How about the jetstream and follow in the line of all great Sadstauas holding officers!
All that practise you're getting at driving Sharans at the moment should help no end!
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No thanks Positive Rate; and I invite you into my "office" anytime you like to see all the photos of those who came before me.
You'll find all the holding guys who were also ex-ADStAUAS studes went through BFJTS; we've been happily sending 60-70% of our lot that way it seems!
A tradition I'm more than happy to try to uphold. I'll call you back when I'm streamed
Besides, we're getting slightly off the topic. I haven't made an unpleasant comment about the Tutor, in, oooh, two posts now?
[ 04 December 2001: Message edited by: Woz ]
You'll find all the holding guys who were also ex-ADStAUAS studes went through BFJTS; we've been happily sending 60-70% of our lot that way it seems!
A tradition I'm more than happy to try to uphold. I'll call you back when I'm streamed
Besides, we're getting slightly off the topic. I haven't made an unpleasant comment about the Tutor, in, oooh, two posts now?
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Sorry Woz!!!
I meant operating a Civvy-owned aircraft in a military manner. Fortunately, the weather's cleared up now, but due to contractural restraints, we weren't allowed to push off anywhere to continue the flying. Do you guys suffer from the same deal with the Grob or do you not get the opportunity ro land the UAS away these days???
I meant operating a Civvy-owned aircraft in a military manner. Fortunately, the weather's cleared up now, but due to contractural restraints, we weren't allowed to push off anywhere to continue the flying. Do you guys suffer from the same deal with the Grob or do you not get the opportunity ro land the UAS away these days???
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But its all quite OK lads, we are assured that fixs areon the way, so they must be here sometime soon (as one of the very few A1 QFIs on the EFT fleet commented to me, they've been saying that about Christ for 2000 years now, and he's still not here!)
Apparently, one of the reasons we can't egt civvie dispensation to go back to 250' is that its only the police who have it at the mo, and in the short term might mean taking the allowance away from police helis - a pretty bad idea by all accounts!
Still, at least the VFR only limits gives the new first years a solid introduction to the joys of a Phase 0 day over their first Xmas camp with the UASs! That should keep 'em interested!
Apparently, one of the reasons we can't egt civvie dispensation to go back to 250' is that its only the police who have it at the mo, and in the short term might mean taking the allowance away from police helis - a pretty bad idea by all accounts!
Still, at least the VFR only limits gives the new first years a solid introduction to the joys of a Phase 0 day over their first Xmas camp with the UASs! That should keep 'em interested!
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Well Peter H, there is probably a load of "UAS sh$te" on this page as it is a debate over the current and last ac flown by the UASs. If you are not that interested then don't read it. I didn't go to a UAS cause I didn't go to uni, but however you get in and which ever way you trained the outcome is the most important bit. The UAS EFT is just as valid (and probably a harder way to do well at, cause of continuety(spelling?)) as JEFTS. (JP5s was the mans way though 
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Oh, and you can still have a 'proper' uni life and the beer is cheaper than the pub.
Tonks
)Oh, and you can still have a 'proper' uni life and the beer is cheaper than the pub.
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I don't think "Peter" is still at Fenton, although he/we definately kicked the arse out of JEFTS. As regards the UAS, it's just another means to an end. However, recruiting a bird because has massive puppies and no aptitude may be considered to be one of the flaws...... Or not as the case maybe.......
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Think you might want to check Peter's profile before slating his view.....looks like he's moved on from the UAS world! D'oh!
Edited to add that the UAS is definately the way to go....no chimping around on JEFTS and their funny litttle yellow planes.
[ 11 December 2001: Message edited by: Al Titude ]
Think you might want to check Peter's profile before slating his view.....looks like he's moved on from the UAS world! D'oh!
Edited to add that the UAS is definately the way to go....no chimping around on JEFTS and their funny litttle yellow planes.
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What would you know Bad Livin, you couldnt even finish JEFTS! And should you have checked Peters profile it seems he hasnt been on JEFTS for a while either.
What would you have been like on a UAS where a Uni degree and flying were both the priority. Multi tasking? Whats that then.
CF ATC "Clear join 1 in"
Bad Livin "Arghhhhhh - head fire, where is he, in fact where is the airfield?!"
How about making some informed comments rather than ones based on a very limited experience. Enjoy the door sliding.
Respect to all the uni studes studying and flying - hope you get what you want in the long run.
Oops - On the topic thread, definately Bulldog!
What would you have been like on a UAS where a Uni degree and flying were both the priority. Multi tasking? Whats that then.
CF ATC "Clear join 1 in"
Bad Livin "Arghhhhhh - head fire, where is he, in fact where is the airfield?!"
How about making some informed comments rather than ones based on a very limited experience. Enjoy the door sliding.
Respect to all the uni studes studying and flying - hope you get what you want in the long run.
Oops - On the topic thread, definately Bulldog!
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Bervie and Al Tit - I didn't claim to have finished JEFTS but fair one on checking Peter's profile. Bervie clearly I know you - did u go to the cold place or the warm one? Besides I spent a large portion of uni in the US where stress of any kind was a bad memory! In addition, if you actually read my post, you might glean that I was defending the UAS system, not attacking it.
Rgds, despite your snide comments Bervie - perhaps interpreting a few lines is beyond your clearly sky god like status! Stay off the sides of those hillls now.
BL
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Rgds, despite your snide comments Bervie - perhaps interpreting a few lines is beyond your clearly sky god like status! Stay off the sides of those hillls now.
BL
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To be fair guys, it really depends on what UAS you're on. I was on MASUAS where we had our own airfield, but two Squadrons operating out of the same field, with Warton and Blackpool to the north and Liverpool to the south - Godsend!!! Unfortunately, I recently flew another aircraft type alongside a UAS and JEFTS and it was the UAS that couldn't cope with another type in the circuit - JEFTS just got on with it, but the UAS were b1tching and moaning. I can understand it for a first or second solo, but even when I was at the UAS (Chippies in the circuit as well as civvies, who flew squares) it was good experience to fly with other types. Seems to me as though it was kid-gloves in this case........
Oh and of course - Bulldog!!!!!
Olly
Oh and of course - Bulldog!!!!!
Olly
