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Me thinks that after this evening's news there may be some second thoughts in the Halliwell and Steps offices. Or are they the secret weapon? white noise to get 'em confused.
UVG- give me a call about the next Chinook Bash , How was down south ?
UVG- give me a call about the next Chinook Bash , How was down south ?
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I seem to recall that the consistent advice to anyone living in the field is that:
'Any FOOL can be uncomfortable'.
Why suffer if there is a better option available? Looks like you have a first in being the fool.
dwaynedibley
It grieves me to read your vitriolic rant - not because you are mistaken (and you are), but because you have, for a variety of reasons, obviously developed such a poor opinion.
Do I detect a wee bit of a chip on your shoulder? Don't blame you though - AAC do a great job but get relatively little recognition. I also suspect that you ENJOY whining about the RAF - ironic, given the thrust of your thread!
The fact is that, like all 3 Services, there are those that DO and those that just bgger the do'ers about.
Do you really think that we are any less frustrated being fcked about by insolent movers at Brize or Lyneham. Actually, it is worse as we are acutely aware that it is the only contact with the RAF that many from the other services will have - it is embarrassing. Incidentally, for the movers - my last 2 experiences have actually been pretty good so please continue whatever efforts you have set in train to treat your passengers like human beings and not freight.
As to the hotel thing - not really supported by facts in the vast majority of cases, but what is your point? Do you really think it militarily sensible for the operators of a very unforgiving piece of hardware to dig a slit trench and bed down in it? I suspect that you have little idea of what FJ ops really entail but trust me, the days are long, intense and pretty draining. Sadly, when it all starts to go pear shaped, you cannot stop and have a group chat about the best way out - you have a few, rapidly diminishing, seconds to figure it out. The correct solution is less likely to be arrived at or successfully prosecuted if you are on your chinstrap. Do your earthen colleagues really want to call in some CAS from some half asleep dude? A poorly aimed CBU will not care who the good guys are. And do you really think that the late cab for the pick-up is because the crew could not be bothered? Perhaps they were re-tasked, just perhaps your stick was not THE most important thing happening in S.Armagh at that moment. Nothing like seeing the big picture is there?
Sorry to give a serious reply - I'm all for banter but couldn't help but point out where you were wrong!
Bottom line, the boys and girls at the front-line (any service) are what makes being in the military all about. Frustrating to meet the inevitable rubber desk johnnys but they are everywhere. I could certainly not wish to work with more professional and enthusiastic people - if they had to, they would pull out all the stops to get their job done, be that strategic or in support of another frontline unit that was up against the wire. But guess what, most of the time, the best way to do our job is the way we do it!
I seem to recall that the consistent advice to anyone living in the field is that:
'Any FOOL can be uncomfortable'.
Why suffer if there is a better option available? Looks like you have a first in being the fool.
dwaynedibley
It grieves me to read your vitriolic rant - not because you are mistaken (and you are), but because you have, for a variety of reasons, obviously developed such a poor opinion.
Do I detect a wee bit of a chip on your shoulder? Don't blame you though - AAC do a great job but get relatively little recognition. I also suspect that you ENJOY whining about the RAF - ironic, given the thrust of your thread!
The fact is that, like all 3 Services, there are those that DO and those that just bgger the do'ers about.
Do you really think that we are any less frustrated being fcked about by insolent movers at Brize or Lyneham. Actually, it is worse as we are acutely aware that it is the only contact with the RAF that many from the other services will have - it is embarrassing. Incidentally, for the movers - my last 2 experiences have actually been pretty good so please continue whatever efforts you have set in train to treat your passengers like human beings and not freight.
As to the hotel thing - not really supported by facts in the vast majority of cases, but what is your point? Do you really think it militarily sensible for the operators of a very unforgiving piece of hardware to dig a slit trench and bed down in it? I suspect that you have little idea of what FJ ops really entail but trust me, the days are long, intense and pretty draining. Sadly, when it all starts to go pear shaped, you cannot stop and have a group chat about the best way out - you have a few, rapidly diminishing, seconds to figure it out. The correct solution is less likely to be arrived at or successfully prosecuted if you are on your chinstrap. Do your earthen colleagues really want to call in some CAS from some half asleep dude? A poorly aimed CBU will not care who the good guys are. And do you really think that the late cab for the pick-up is because the crew could not be bothered? Perhaps they were re-tasked, just perhaps your stick was not THE most important thing happening in S.Armagh at that moment. Nothing like seeing the big picture is there?
Sorry to give a serious reply - I'm all for banter but couldn't help but point out where you were wrong!
Bottom line, the boys and girls at the front-line (any service) are what makes being in the military all about. Frustrating to meet the inevitable rubber desk johnnys but they are everywhere. I could certainly not wish to work with more professional and enthusiastic people - if they had to, they would pull out all the stops to get their job done, be that strategic or in support of another frontline unit that was up against the wire. But guess what, most of the time, the best way to do our job is the way we do it!
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Now that you are a professional aviator, I expect you'll understand why the Crabs are unable to fly because the weather is out of limits. The reasons are similar to those that prevented the AAC from flying in December last year, in South Armagh, because there was snow on the ground.
We all have our rules, the crabs bend them more than most, but now and then they cannot bend them quite enough to justify flying. None of them apply, of course, in life-threatening situations, when you can bet your life that everyone would do their best to reach you. The Crabs, being better, would get there first of course, despite their antiquated machinery (in S Amargh).
Now that Aldergrove has a joint mess, there is no doubt about who can and cannot drink!
Now that you are a professional aviator, I expect you'll understand why the Crabs are unable to fly because the weather is out of limits. The reasons are similar to those that prevented the AAC from flying in December last year, in South Armagh, because there was snow on the ground.
We all have our rules, the crabs bend them more than most, but now and then they cannot bend them quite enough to justify flying. None of them apply, of course, in life-threatening situations, when you can bet your life that everyone would do their best to reach you. The Crabs, being better, would get there first of course, despite their antiquated machinery (in S Amargh).
Now that Aldergrove has a joint mess, there is no doubt about who can and cannot drink!
CK - thank you for your measured response to the childish replies from others. It seems that there are still some who persist in giving their readily identifiable organisations a bad name.
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Dwayne,
Excellent post, nice to see the Air Farce are biting in a big way !
BEagle,
Your frequent references to Army aircrew as nothing more than illiterate Squaddies might be perceived as giving your "readily identifiable organisation a bad name."
Excellent post, nice to see the Air Farce are biting in a big way !
BEagle,
Your frequent references to Army aircrew as nothing more than illiterate Squaddies might be perceived as giving your "readily identifiable organisation a bad name."
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Dwayne - spot on mate 
a few more like you in country and there'll be no need to race for the comfy chair in b***ards hut (that is the throne reserved for the senior man isn't it?) 
I'm sure it would suit all the crabs if you and your mates were left to prise the bog-trotters apart - hurrah
a few more like you in country and there'll be no need to race for the comfy chair in b***ards hut (that is the throne reserved for the senior man isn't it?) I'm sure it would suit all the crabs if you and your mates were left to prise the bog-trotters apart - hurrah
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As Air Carps you probably mean:
" Must....get...stronger....powers of comprehension, ability to reason rationally and while I'm at it, find out what all this Airmanship malarkey is all about"
If you've got a problem with the (big) words, just ask one of your officers....oh, maybe not.
Chin chin
SP
As Air Carps you probably mean:
" Must....get...stronger....powers of comprehension, ability to reason rationally and while I'm at it, find out what all this Airmanship malarkey is all about"
If you've got a problem with the (big) words, just ask one of your officers....oh, maybe not.
Chin chin
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Dimmer,
I concur - what eaxctly was Gwaa Spice like? and was it true that Steps finished their set early and were booed off stage to a barrage of cans.
Detri
PS My dad is harder the your dad and can take him any day
I concur - what eaxctly was Gwaa Spice like? and was it true that Steps finished their set early and were booed off stage to a barrage of cans.
Detri
PS My dad is harder the your dad and can take him any day
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I tried hard not to bite, but I can't help it. What are you lot on?? You are supposed to be professional aviators! The crabs didn't do a pick up because the met was outside limits? Really?? and you do of course?? I'm glad you aren't on my squadron, keep breaking the rules mate! History is littered with tossers who bust the limits. Oh, and PS, I have lived in just about everything from trench to Sheraton, you say that hotel dwellers are losers? errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
By the way I might sound like Mr Angry, but I'm not angry at all, just amazed..........
By the way I might sound like Mr Angry, but I'm not angry at all, just amazed..........
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Thoughtful piece in today's Times suggests that our circulating photographs of a semi-naked Spice Girl on the beach in Oman wasn't a smart way to increase moderate Muslim support for the overall campaign.
What was the brief for that nice Minder chap in the photos and who the briefer?
What was the brief for that nice Minder chap in the photos and who the briefer?
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SP,
Thankfully I went to a comprehension school, I'm sure thats what it said anyway. As previously stated didn't spend too much time there so can't quite remember.
As to Airmanship, do tell....
[Editied as I had to find an officer to check my grammar(she's still dead)]
[ 10 October 2001: Message edited by: dwaynedibley ]
Thankfully I went to a comprehension school, I'm sure thats what it said anyway. As previously stated didn't spend too much time there so can't quite remember.
As to Airmanship, do tell....
[Editied as I had to find an officer to check my grammar(she's still dead)]
[ 10 October 2001: Message edited by: dwaynedibley ]
Srobin Purple, why use big words when a small one can adequately describe you? i.e. Knob.
Right then - back to the subject - Steps were really good, so was Bobby Davro, in fact he was very good and very funny, despite low expectations. He also gave a pretty rousing "we're proud of you lads" speech which trembled the lip (but sadly not the knees) and Geri?
- great production, gorgeous dancers and she'd get it but I have to say zero charisma. Steps were much better. But she was still pretty good - should cover a few more catchy numbers though. Still, considering that I wouldn't cross the road to see any of them in 'the World' but drove 200 miles across a dukes of hazzard set to see them and still think it was a great night out must tell you something.
...although as the show was a big part of the op welfare package that cost us LOA of £20 a day, we reckon that the concert ticket worked out at around £900 each, which is a bit of a ripoff it has to be said.
Right then - back to the subject - Steps were really good, so was Bobby Davro, in fact he was very good and very funny, despite low expectations. He also gave a pretty rousing "we're proud of you lads" speech which trembled the lip (but sadly not the knees) and Geri?
- great production, gorgeous dancers and she'd get it but I have to say zero charisma. Steps were much better. But she was still pretty good - should cover a few more catchy numbers though. Still, considering that I wouldn't cross the road to see any of them in 'the World' but drove 200 miles across a dukes of hazzard set to see them and still think it was a great night out must tell you something.
...although as the show was a big part of the op welfare package that cost us LOA of £20 a day, we reckon that the concert ticket worked out at around £900 each, which is a bit of a ripoff it has to be said.
