Gripen gear up landing 6/8-09
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: 59°45'36N 10°27'59E
Posts: 1,032
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Gripen gear up landing 6/8-09
JAS-39C Gripen from the F-17 Wing of the SwAF landed with the gear still stowed at Ronneby/ESDF. Inital interview with the pilot points to "the human factor".
Guess he will buy the beers for some time!
(Swedish only)
From JAS 39-plan i olycka - Försvarsmakten
The Swedish AAIB will do the investigation. (Joint MIL / CIV thing in Sweden)
Guess he will buy the beers for some time!
(Swedish only)From JAS 39-plan i olycka - Försvarsmakten
The Swedish AAIB will do the investigation. (Joint MIL / CIV thing in Sweden)
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: bored
Posts: 532
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Guess he will buy the beers for some time!
But probably the swedes will hand-wring and send him/her on another human-factors course at yet more public expense.
Guest
Posts: n/a
If not career Endex.
Ramember HF and the just culture.
Last edited by Rigger1; 8th Aug 2009 at 20:03.
Rigger 1, nail,head, on the. Didn't one of our whizzy Typhoons do a wheels up last year? What happened to the pilot, bet he didn't get sacked, probably got a promotion?
Why is the blunt end sticking up, did he/she try and lower the gear post gravel rash/expensive noises?
Why is the blunt end sticking up, did he/she try and lower the gear post gravel rash/expensive noises?
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: bored
Posts: 532
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I really don't see why. Why waste all the money apent training him and then get rid of him for making a mistake.
Pour encourager les autres
As Napoleon used to say ... no, actually it was Voltaire:
'Byng's execution was satirized by Voltaire in his novel Candide. In Portsmouth, Candide witnesses the execution of an officer by firing squad; and is told that "in this country, it is wise to kill an admiral from time to time to encourage the others" (Dans ce pays-ci, il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres).' John Byng - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Napoleon may well have approved from one point of view: Byng was the second son of a recently-ennobled family and therefore undoubtedly guilty of bourgeois tendencies.
On the other hand it lead to "a culture of aggressive determination which set British [Naval] officers apart from their foreign contemporaries", to the significant disadvantage of France.
'Byng's execution was satirized by Voltaire in his novel Candide. In Portsmouth, Candide witnesses the execution of an officer by firing squad; and is told that "in this country, it is wise to kill an admiral from time to time to encourage the others" (Dans ce pays-ci, il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres).' John Byng - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Napoleon may well have approved from one point of view: Byng was the second son of a recently-ennobled family and therefore undoubtedly guilty of bourgeois tendencies.
On the other hand it lead to "a culture of aggressive determination which set British [Naval] officers apart from their foreign contemporaries", to the significant disadvantage of France.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Pour encourager les autres
Yes, we must investigate such mistakes, and if a violation had occurred there must be a level of punishment equal to the level of violation NOT THE OUTCOME . Tell me if you make a mistake do you cover it up, out of fear of reprisal from upon high, or do you own up so others dont make the same mistake. And by doing so educate people and perhaps stop other falling into the trap. Executing this Admiral achieves nothing and drives open and honest reporting of mistakes underground, something the RAF is currently trying to prevent.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Why is the blunt end sticking up, did he/she try and lower the gear post gravel rash/expensive noises?
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Chedburgh, Bury St.Edmunds
Age: 81
Posts: 1,175
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes
on
7 Posts
Beats me as to what the hell the guys in the tower are doing. Don't they look at approaching aircraft anymore.?? Was at a U.S. Airshow a few years ago, Douglas Skyraider within 50 feet of the ground, slowing with no gear. Loud message from tower 'Skyraider Gear. Skyraider Gear!!'. It sure helps to look out of the window!!!
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Sandhurst
Age: 50
Posts: 202
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Still think that my 2 beacon idea would stop all of this silly wheels up nonsense.
Not worth following it up now, seeing as all pilots will be replaced by Skynet and HAL soon.
Not worth following it up now, seeing as all pilots will be replaced by Skynet and HAL soon.
Beats me as to what the hell the guys in the tower are doing. Don't they look at approaching aircraft anymore.??
I was Duty Pilot at Scampton once; we only had to be in the tower if one of our aircraft was within 100 miles (this was in Vulcan days). Whilst waiting for an aircraft to return, I happened to glance out of the window as a JP appeared at 250 ft over the nuclear weapons storage area, did a split-arse 180 and returned whence it came.
"Did you see that?", I asked. Neither controller nor assistant was looking out; in fact the NCO controller said he didn't even know what a JP looked like....
Well, I did. In fact the canopy shape and tip tanks clearly identified it as a Finningley Mk5. So..."Finningley please...click, buzz...Finningley here....JP Ops please...."
"JP Ops"
"Scampton Duty Pilot here. My compliments to whoever it was for the impressive but unannounced low level simulated attack on our nuclear weapons site a couple of minutes ago - it was most entertaining. However, I suspect that the pilot and his lad were probably after Blyton disused - please tell them that they can find it at about 340/12 from here! Fortunately no-one important seems to have noticed, so just a quiet word in the shell-like will do. Goodbye...click"
Happy days....
Join Date: May 2007
Location: North West
Age: 73
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
F5's do it too.
Seem to remember a Norwegian F5 landing at ISK in the 80's without using his wheels. Nice and smooth it was too for he settled on his long range tanks and skidded smartly to a stop.
As a Maritime base no runway caravan, they seem to think that between 13 of you someone will remember to put the wheels down.
I believe they jacked it up, undercarriage pins in and towed it off. Quick check and back in the air before too long. The pilot? Well he was the flight commander I do believe. So no danger of a sacking there, maybe promotion?
As a Maritime base no runway caravan, they seem to think that between 13 of you someone will remember to put the wheels down.
I believe they jacked it up, undercarriage pins in and towed it off. Quick check and back in the air before too long. The pilot? Well he was the flight commander I do believe. So no danger of a sacking there, maybe promotion?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: 59°45'36N 10°27'59E
Posts: 1,032
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The RNoAF has a proud tradition of promoting people landing gear up. The former commander of the air force, Brigadier General Colin Archer did a TGL on the dollies on his F-16 back in the 80s........then got the gear down and landed on the next attempt!
The former commander of the air force, Brigadier General Colin Archer did a TGL on the dollies on his F-16 back in the 80s........then got the gear down and landed on the next attempt!
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Bury St. Edmunds
Age: 64
Posts: 539
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It's not unique to the RNoAF! OC 5 Sqn Wg Cdr K*** at Binbrook made an in-advertant wheels up landing in an F3 in the early 80's. Quite spectacular and very lucky there was no fire after landing on the ventral.
The cause? Well, the SOP had been to raise the gear after every TO when doing circuits. This was changed to reduce wear on the UC being cycled. Habit got the better of the pilot downwind, selecting gear actually retracted the UC which had been left down after the last low approach and so the scene was set.....
It happened again earlier in April this year when a Typhoon FGR4, ZJ 943 coded "DK" of XI sqn which was on loan to 17 (R) sqn for weapons trials at China Lake air weapons station.
MB
The cause? Well, the SOP had been to raise the gear after every TO when doing circuits. This was changed to reduce wear on the UC being cycled. Habit got the better of the pilot downwind, selecting gear actually retracted the UC which had been left down after the last low approach and so the scene was set.....
It happened again earlier in April this year when a Typhoon FGR4, ZJ 943 coded "DK" of XI sqn which was on loan to 17 (R) sqn for weapons trials at China Lake air weapons station.
MB
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Erehwon
Posts: 1,146
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Try to look on the bright side . . . it saved both tyre AND brake-wear.
SEE . . . it's not so bad after all - AND it gives something for the engineers to do now that aircraft are SOoo reliable.
SEE . . . it's not so bad after all - AND it gives something for the engineers to do now that aircraft are SOoo reliable.
This doesn't sound right! To have reached the rank of NCO controller in those days he/she would have had to come through the AATC ranks. Either that or crusty old NCO aircrew retrained in ATC. All ATC training was carried out at Shawbury, and guess what type of aircraft bashed around giving the students experience of controlling them?
In the days when he would have been trained, surely CATCS was still flying the last of the RAF's Vampire T11s?
I thought that it was a rather stupid comment for him to have made....
I thought that it was a rather stupid comment for him to have made....