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Proved itself at air to ground eh?
So why has this months Air Force monthly run a story about the Typhoons computers being unable to 'talk' to Paveway's and therefore be unable to be deployed to Afghan?
Despite all those pretty picture's you've so nicely posted
Beyond that, totally agree on the air to air points.
So why has this months Air Force monthly run a story about the Typhoons computers being unable to 'talk' to Paveway's and therefore be unable to be deployed to Afghan?
Despite all those pretty picture's you've so nicely posted
Beyond that, totally agree on the air to air points.
It's talking to Paveway IV that's the issue. An integration that no-one has actually paid for. (As I alluded to in the post).
PWII/EPWII is fine, I believe.
As to the pretty pics, I just wanted to be sure that this was the same Typhoon that "they kinda forgot needed air-to-air weapons", and "decided using American AMRAAMs wasn't a good idea."
You know, the one which "didn't have anything to shoot with when those Bears came over 2007/2008."
And the same Typhoon that has no ability to "shoot at things and bomb people."
PWII/EPWII is fine, I believe.
As to the pretty pics, I just wanted to be sure that this was the same Typhoon that "they kinda forgot needed air-to-air weapons", and "decided using American AMRAAMs wasn't a good idea."
You know, the one which "didn't have anything to shoot with when those Bears came over 2007/2008."
And the same Typhoon that has no ability to "shoot at things and bomb people."
Last edited by Jackonicko; 5th Jul 2009 at 15:27.
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The Typhoon has proved its 'austere' air-to-ground capability (strafe, up to six PW/EPWII, dumb 1,000-lbers)
Spheroid,
Selective quoting - the last refuge of a scoundrel! (and I should know....)
I did not once suggest that Typhoon had used its air-to-ground capability operationally - only that that capability had been proven.
You started this facile and pointless argument by making the empty (and rather offensive) suggestion that:
"Its a waste of money because it has been in service for close to 5 years and so far it has contibuted to....... .... an Air show."
It has been pointed out to you that its initial primary role was UK AD.
It has been pointed out to you that the force is still too small to do much else.
It has been pointed out to you that the aircraft does have a proven A-G capability, which, I suggest, goes some way towards proving that "it is the best in the world", albeit not by contributing to ongoing ops.
This capability has been brought forward, so that the jet has an A-G capability earlier than planned.
It certainly gives the lie to your infantile cracks about the 'Home Guard'.
As to 'practise ammunition' the bombs that 11 dropped at Garv' made a f*cking big bang for PBs......
And, just out of interest, when's the last time a GR4 or Harrier carried six EPWIIs, together with a full air-to-air loadout. Oh, OK then, without an air to air loadout.
Selective quoting - the last refuge of a scoundrel! (and I should know....)
I did not once suggest that Typhoon had used its air-to-ground capability operationally - only that that capability had been proven.
You started this facile and pointless argument by making the empty (and rather offensive) suggestion that:
"Its a waste of money because it has been in service for close to 5 years and so far it has contibuted to....... .... an Air show."
It has been pointed out to you that its initial primary role was UK AD.
It has been pointed out to you that the force is still too small to do much else.
It has been pointed out to you that the aircraft does have a proven A-G capability, which, I suggest, goes some way towards proving that "it is the best in the world", albeit not by contributing to ongoing ops.
This capability has been brought forward, so that the jet has an A-G capability earlier than planned.
It certainly gives the lie to your infantile cracks about the 'Home Guard'.
As to 'practise ammunition' the bombs that 11 dropped at Garv' made a f*cking big bang for PBs......
And, just out of interest, when's the last time a GR4 or Harrier carried six EPWIIs, together with a full air-to-air loadout. Oh, OK then, without an air to air loadout.
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It has been pointed out to you that its initial primary role was UK AD.
From a government website.
Typhoon, formerly known as Eurofighter, is an agile multi-role combat aircraft. Designed for air superiority
Anyway....last post on this but you could argue all night on the fantastic capibilities of the Typhoon and how it has successfully replaced the Jaguar and Tornado BUT until the tax payer sees it on the front line killing people and bombing the taliban then its role as keeper of the home guard is becomming a bit of a joke.
If you want to deploy some Typhoons to bomb people, then keep enough F3s to do the UK AD job, and provide enough Typhoons to deploy some of them.
Otherwise, stop whining.
Otherwise, stop whining.
Time for a game of spot the difference:
Spheroid:
Or -
A government website:
MOD Major Projects Report 2008- Project Summary Sheets, p.151
Similar wording is used in the 2007 report.
Or, if not happy with that one, in the NAO's 2006 Report (p.139) the wording is different:
AIUI, the wording from '06 was altered for later reports because it was pointed out by several sources, that the aircraft could not & would not have been ordered from the outset as a Jaguar replacement if it didn't have a multi-role capability as part of the original requirement.
I'll leave ppruners to spot the difference between and the provenance of the variations above...
Spheroid:
From a government website.
Typhoon, formerly known as Eurofighter, is an agile multi-role combat aircraft. Designed for air superiority
Typhoon, formerly known as Eurofighter, is an agile multi-role combat aircraft. Designed for air superiority
A government website:
MOD Major Projects Report 2008- Project Summary Sheets, p.151
Typhoon, formerly known as Eurofighter, is an agile multi-role combat aircraft. Originally designed primarily, but not exclusively, for air superiority the aircraft is also capable of delivering a precision ground attack capability. Typhoon has the flexibility to respond to the uncertain demands of the current strategic environment and is progressively replacing the Tornado F3 and Jaguar aircraft.
Or, if not happy with that one, in the NAO's 2006 Report (p.139) the wording is different:
Typhoon, formerly known as Eurofighter, is an agile multi-role combat aircraft. Originally designed for air superiority the aircraft will also be capable of delivering a precision ground attack capability. Typhoon will have the flexibility to respond to the uncertain demands of the current strategic environment and will enable the Royal Air Force to replace progressively the Tornado F3 and Jaguar
AIUI, the wording from '06 was altered for later reports because it was pointed out by several sources, that the aircraft could not & would not have been ordered from the outset as a Jaguar replacement if it didn't have a multi-role capability as part of the original requirement.
I'll leave ppruners to spot the difference between and the provenance of the variations above...
Dougie's point is not just about the cost of Typhoon landing lights but about the problems of lead free solder foisted on the electronics world by Eurocrats. Any electronic item sold in Europe must have lead free solder. Military applications are exempt, however everyone is going the lead free way due to the size of the commercial markets. So lead free solder is being used in many military applications and the high tin content and low melting point is causing failures in military equipment.
To give you an example of how problems can manifest themselves, my son's laptop LAN socket stopped working and then dropped out of the computer. Apparently, the lead free solder is more brittle and couldn't stand the stresses from the cable being moved.
Google 'Tin Whiskers' for some insight into the problem.
To give you an example of how problems can manifest themselves, my son's laptop LAN socket stopped working and then dropped out of the computer. Apparently, the lead free solder is more brittle and couldn't stand the stresses from the cable being moved.
Google 'Tin Whiskers' for some insight into the problem.
Last edited by Dan Winterland; 7th Jul 2009 at 03:51.
