BBC Article: UK 'must slash defence spending'
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BBC Article: UK 'must slash defence spending'
Surprised this hasn't already been reported, it certainly seems to be of gargantuan propotions!
'The UK should consider slashing defence spending by up to £24bn.............'
It rings of sensationalistic reporting, but it does have a certain twang of last one, door and lights...
BBC NEWS | UK | UK 'must slash defence spending'
'The UK should consider slashing defence spending by up to £24bn.............'
It rings of sensationalistic reporting, but it does have a certain twang of last one, door and lights...
BBC NEWS | UK | UK 'must slash defence spending'
Surprised this hasn't already been reported, it certainly seems to be of gargantuan propotions!
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...tbacks-20.html
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I'm well aware of previous posts Widger, none of which I believe amount to a 'total £24bn cut' I believe.
The carriers alone are a 'mere 5 billion', even with Trident added, I fail to understand where the other £19bn of cuts will come from.
Maybe you could enlighten me further?
The carriers alone are a 'mere 5 billion', even with Trident added, I fail to understand where the other £19bn of cuts will come from.
Maybe you could enlighten me further?
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scrapping of Challanger MBT(Which will need updating soon)
Scrapping of AS90
Scrapping of MLRS
Scrapping of Raiper
scrapping of HVM
Scrapping of JSF
Scrapping of Puma upgrade
scrapping of A400m
reduction of nimrod
reduction of sentry
retirement of Tornado
Scrapping of AS90
Scrapping of MLRS
Scrapping of Raiper
scrapping of HVM
Scrapping of JSF
Scrapping of Puma upgrade
scrapping of A400m
reduction of nimrod
reduction of sentry
retirement of Tornado
I'm well aware of previous posts Widger, none of which I believe amount to a 'total £24bn cut' I believe.
The carriers alone are a 'mere 5 billion', even with Trident added, I fail to understand where the other £19bn of cuts will come from.
Maybe you could enlighten me further?
The carriers alone are a 'mere 5 billion', even with Trident added, I fail to understand where the other £19bn of cuts will come from.
Maybe you could enlighten me further?
Sorry Navy.
I woudn't be suprised if nurse's list wasn't too far from the truth, In which case all 3 services are going to have to shoot some sacred cows. I'll add the Red Arrows to that list, replace with part time display team from the instructors at Valley, they'll even be flying the 128 for that "modern look".
Also No Carriers, no JSF. At all
Also No Carriers, no JSF. At all
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It all depends on years in and years to go. On the old scheme it was 18 months basic salary tax free plus your usual gratuity/pension for total service. For those on the new scheme it's essentially 12 months tax free instead, plus the normal gratuities and pension etc.
JSP 764 details.
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JSP 764 details.
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I'm pretty sure it's on time served up until your exit date. I think the previous tranches required you to have achieved certain rank groups in trade/branch and a minimum years of sevice to qualify to apply.
There is however, no talk of offering redundencies at the moment. It would be foolish to think that it may not be necessary though because if the cutbacks are half as bad as reported/required, there will be far too many servicemen and women to operate/maintain/support the hardware that is left.
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There is however, no talk of offering redundencies at the moment. It would be foolish to think that it may not be necessary though because if the cutbacks are half as bad as reported/required, there will be far too many servicemen and women to operate/maintain/support the hardware that is left.
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Grrrrrrrrr
I could go on but what the hell.
Go on strike!!!
Tell the politicians to go and fcuk themselves.
Budget down to 2.5 % of GDP already and they have the gall to say that we simply can't afford to defend ourselves. I don't pay my tax to give Europe 40mil a day, five times too much regulation, proceedures and general bull that you wouldn't miss if most of it dissapeared.
I want my kids to be safe in the future!
Go on strike!!!
Tell the politicians to go and fcuk themselves.
Budget down to 2.5 % of GDP already and they have the gall to say that we simply can't afford to defend ourselves. I don't pay my tax to give Europe 40mil a day, five times too much regulation, proceedures and general bull that you wouldn't miss if most of it dissapeared.
I want my kids to be safe in the future!
Thanks Ginge
Of which I am - I make that over £200k tax free and a near £20k pension (can I max commute). Can they afford that for lots of similar individuals 
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I looked at the JSP and it said that my section is being re-written - I suspect my pleasant surprise is about to take a tumble
LJ
On the old scheme it was 18 months basic salary tax free plus your usual gratuity/pension for total service.
?I looked at the JSP and it said that my section is being re-written - I suspect my pleasant surprise is about to take a tumble
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Grizzlin, all sectors of government spending are going to take a hit, that much is certain. For those hoping for green shoots, I think the 2.4% GDP fall over Q2 should have poured enough weedkiller on them to last till 2011.
We all spent the cash, as a nation we maxed ourselves out. Unfortunately, now its time to pay back all that money that contributed to LAbours 'Economic Miracle'.
We all spent the cash, as a nation we maxed ourselves out. Unfortunately, now its time to pay back all that money that contributed to LAbours 'Economic Miracle'.
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The military has always been of the opinion that redundency is cheaper in the long run. That's why they had 3 tranches in the 90's/early 2000's.
They are only paying out 12 or 18 months basic pay (tax free) as you were entitled to the rest already.
Moving the goal posts now is not always effective as grandfather rights will normally exist unless you live in Italy
. As I understand it, the principle change from AFPS 75 to 05 was the drop from 18mths basic pay tax free to just 12 mths.
Tinternet will find you a full unmodified copy of the JSP. If not, pm me and i'll forward a copy of the one I have which details all.
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The military has always been of the opinion that redundency is cheaper in the long run. That's why they had 3 tranches in the 90's/early 2000's.
They are only paying out 12 or 18 months basic pay (tax free) as you were entitled to the rest already.
Moving the goal posts now is not always effective as grandfather rights will normally exist unless you live in Italy
. As I understand it, the principle change from AFPS 75 to 05 was the drop from 18mths basic pay tax free to just 12 mths.Tinternet will find you a full unmodified copy of the JSP. If not, pm me and i'll forward a copy of the one I have which details all.
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This was clocked earlier but was fouled up in the CVF hamster wheel. http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...ml#post5030654
As I see it, the Forces are being invited to destroy themselves. The Army (or is it to be BAF Land Command) have elected to take the lead.
How thankful we should have been for Smuts, Sykes, Henderson and Trenchard
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Bugger! just noticed that Widger had already made the association.
As I see it, the Forces are being invited to destroy themselves. The Army (or is it to be BAF Land Command) have elected to take the lead.
How thankful we should have been for Smuts, Sykes, Henderson and Trenchard
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Bugger! just noticed that Widger had already made the association.
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A glimmer of hope...?
Have a look at this:
BBC NEWS | Have Your Say | Should defence spending be slashed?
From the comments it seems like a good chunk of public opinion is with the military on this - they don't want to see our military capability being cut to the point of being impotent, and they seem to understand the key issues.
Maybe we should all write to our MP and request that Defence is made a key policy issue in the run-up to the next general election - who knows, It could help?
Surely there are plenty of other things that could (should) be cut before the MoD budget had to take a big hit?
I really dislike our currentexcuse for a Government...
BBC NEWS | Have Your Say | Should defence spending be slashed?
From the comments it seems like a good chunk of public opinion is with the military on this - they don't want to see our military capability being cut to the point of being impotent, and they seem to understand the key issues.
Maybe we should all write to our MP and request that Defence is made a key policy issue in the run-up to the next general election - who knows, It could help?
Surely there are plenty of other things that could (should) be cut before the MoD budget had to take a big hit?
I really dislike our currentexcuse for a Government...
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UK Defence Spending
I read recently about the biggest spenders on defence worlwide in 2008 (Time, 22 Jun 09). The tabulated results were interesting:
1. USA, $607bn
2. China, $84.9bn
3. France, $65.7bn
4. UK, $65.3bn
5. Russia, $58.6bn
6. Germany, $46.8bn
No big surprise the top five spenders being those with permanent membership of the UN Security Council. My point is that to keep a credible membership of the UN Sec Council, our defence spending has to credible too. I put Germany in there as a means of comparison for the next highest spender - $12bn gap. The UK could afford to take a drop in spending, still remain credible on the global stage but not necessarily as internationally effective as we might like.
A separate argument is whether we are spending our money economically, efficiently and getting effective capability in return.
no account taken for dodgy nations such as Iran, N Korea. Exchange rates too distort these figures. It is only reported spending and a journalistic article - no offence jackonicko et al
1. USA, $607bn
2. China, $84.9bn
3. France, $65.7bn
4. UK, $65.3bn
5. Russia, $58.6bn
6. Germany, $46.8bn
No big surprise the top five spenders being those with permanent membership of the UN Security Council. My point is that to keep a credible membership of the UN Sec Council, our defence spending has to credible too. I put Germany in there as a means of comparison for the next highest spender - $12bn gap. The UK could afford to take a drop in spending, still remain credible on the global stage but not necessarily as internationally effective as we might like.
A separate argument is whether we are spending our money economically, efficiently and getting effective capability in return.
no account taken for dodgy nations such as Iran, N Korea. Exchange rates too distort these figures. It is only reported spending and a journalistic article - no offence jackonicko et al