If it looks right, it'll fly right.
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The comment of a USAF Pilot on seeing the Blackburn Beverley for the first time :-
"Well, I've figured out which way it flies - but how the **** do you get that undercarriage up?"
"Well, I've figured out which way it flies - but how the **** do you get that undercarriage up?"
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I would like to think that the Hunter, Spitfire and all the other types mentioned above are all good examples of this theory.
Yet, other aircraft seem to disprove it, such as Shorts Belfast and Fokker triplane (yes I did mention the Belsow, as I think it looked like a winner).
One aircraft I would like others opinions on is the B1 in any of it's forms. I think it looks sleek, and to me looks like it should be in a similar speed range to Concorde. Is this so, as it constantly seems to have been left in the side lines during it's career, even after being revived.
Yet, other aircraft seem to disprove it, such as Shorts Belfast and Fokker triplane (yes I did mention the Belsow, as I think it looked like a winner).
One aircraft I would like others opinions on is the B1 in any of it's forms. I think it looks sleek, and to me looks like it should be in a similar speed range to Concorde. Is this so, as it constantly seems to have been left in the side lines during it's career, even after being revived.
Cazatou,
The story I heard about the Bev's first visit to a USAF base was the crew chief saying to the captain as he climbd out "What in the world is that, sir?" "That, sir, is a Blackburn Beverley!"
"Uh, huh - make it yourself?"
The story I heard about the Bev's first visit to a USAF base was the crew chief saying to the captain as he climbd out "What in the world is that, sir?" "That, sir, is a Blackburn Beverley!"
"Uh, huh - make it yourself?"
I remember reading that when the project pilot for the Northrop Tacit Blue programme Northrop Tacit Blue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia first saw the aircraft, he asked if it was still in its crate!
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Sorry, grew up in Belfast during Belfast development and can't resist comment. Plan A was a swept wing jet, cut back to a British Fat Albert (with a 'strategic' moniker, but iot would have got there by a week next Tuesday) by civil servants.
Hmm. A swept wing strategic transport jet? Nah, that idea would never have worked, otherwise somebody like the Yanks would have picked it up - wouldn't they?
Aw ****e, they did!
Hmm. A swept wing strategic transport jet? Nah, that idea would never have worked, otherwise somebody like the Yanks would have picked it up - wouldn't they?
Aw ****e, they did!
I know we all our favourite UK produced aircraft , but I also think some Post War US Operational types deserve a mention, in terms of Symmetry/design and "Looks right"
Just to name a few of my favourites
Convair F106 Delta Dart ,
Convair B58 Hustler
Boeing B47 Stratojet
Douglas F4D-1 Skyray
Grumman F9F-5 Panther/ F9F-9 Couger
McDonnel F4 Phantom
Lockheed F104 Starfighter, in original "Budlite" silver
Just to name a few of my favourites
Convair F106 Delta Dart ,
Convair B58 Hustler
Boeing B47 Stratojet
Douglas F4D-1 Skyray
Grumman F9F-5 Panther/ F9F-9 Couger
McDonnel F4 Phantom
Lockheed F104 Starfighter, in original "Budlite" silver
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OPF, with the possible exception of the Grumman iron works products, I believe your favourites all have at least one important 'look right, fly right' element in common - area ruling. Anyone care to nominate why and when it become unfashionable? 
My favourite modern effort;
Northrop YF-23 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My favourite modern effort;
Northrop YF-23 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Plenty of excess thrust so the supersonic drag isn't such an issue
and
better design capability lets you "area rule" (i.e design for transonic drag) without having to look like a flying barbie doll
and
less emphasis on raw straightline speed anyway
perhaps?
Look Right
I had an almost identical list to OPF, but his inclusion of the F4 raised my eyebrows! Surely happy memories rather than good looks.
Can I add the Mirage 111 as another non-brit 'looker'.
KB
Can I add the Mirage 111 as another non-brit 'looker'.
KB
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Another USAF comment ...
In the early days of the Victor's entry into service, a USAF Colonel (?) was reported to have said, after visiting the factory at Radlett: "Nice looking airplane, but why d'ja have to build it in a hobby shop?" T'was also said that Sir Fred was not amused ...
But then, if you're only building 50 or so, why not use ordinary scaffolding instead of the massive jigs which make high-rate production of much larger numbers possible ... and it would "do" for the similar number of B.2s to follow ...
The sound of those four Sapphires' intake resonance at idle was a "sound to remember", though ...
But then, if you're only building 50 or so, why not use ordinary scaffolding instead of the massive jigs which make high-rate production of much larger numbers possible ... and it would "do" for the similar number of B.2s to follow ...
The sound of those four Sapphires' intake resonance at idle was a "sound to remember", though ...
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I believe a senior RN type said when he saw the F-4:
"They've delivered it upside-down".
Looks right/flies right is often true, but there is probably something in the reverse idea that if we know something performs well then it's form starts to take on a beauty all of it's own. F-4 and Buccaneer probably fall into this category. If they were rubbish, they'd have been ugly too.
"They've delivered it upside-down".
Looks right/flies right is often true, but there is probably something in the reverse idea that if we know something performs well then it's form starts to take on a beauty all of it's own. F-4 and Buccaneer probably fall into this category. If they were rubbish, they'd have been ugly too.
Totally agree with you BP,
The inclusion of the F4 Phantom in my earlier list is a personal
choice.
I think over time it took on a beauty of its own.
From my standpoint as a Semi Pro. Aviation Photographer I have seen
countless F4s.
It has extra appeal to me in the earlier Operational Colour Schemes,
especially USN And US Marine Squadron markings.
Not forgetting some of the "Special/Anniversary paint jobs.
All adding up to a growing appreciation over time.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
The inclusion of the F4 Phantom in my earlier list is a personal
choice.
I think over time it took on a beauty of its own.
From my standpoint as a Semi Pro. Aviation Photographer I have seen
countless F4s.
It has extra appeal to me in the earlier Operational Colour Schemes,
especially USN And US Marine Squadron markings.
Not forgetting some of the "Special/Anniversary paint jobs.
All adding up to a growing appreciation over time.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Well, what about the Canberra (before the odd job they did to make the B.8)? Clean, businesslike and very sleek ... and for "sleeker" there's the B-57 US-built variant.
Another business-like machine I find very attractive is the Sukhoi SU-24(?) Frogfoot, which again is in the unglamorous "mud-plugging" game.
Talking of mudpluggers, there's the fantastic Hawker Tempest whose mighty Sabre I used to hear when on Armament Practice camp at Sylt in 2 TAF. The mainly Polish target tug pilots used to demonstarte whenever they could that it would beat any jet fighter of the day up to 15,000 feet ...
Another business-like machine I find very attractive is the Sukhoi SU-24(?) Frogfoot, which again is in the unglamorous "mud-plugging" game.
Talking of mudpluggers, there's the fantastic Hawker Tempest whose mighty Sabre I used to hear when on Armament Practice camp at Sylt in 2 TAF. The mainly Polish target tug pilots used to demonstarte whenever they could that it would beat any jet fighter of the day up to 15,000 feet ...
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I can't agree with you that the Belfast was just a UK fat albert, especially as it really did look much more like the C133, which was similar in role and a comtempory.
But then I did also state I thought it went against the rule, and theat it LOOKED right rather than flew right
But then I did also state I thought it went against the rule, and theat it LOOKED right rather than flew right