A400 Doomed?
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From: Toulouse area, France
No news = bad news ?
In all this hoo-ha about the A400M programme, I'm surprised and worried that no news is even seeping out about "progress" with the engine control software. Nobody talks about how the engine programme is/was managed, and EADS is blamed for every delay, while airframes sit in Spain waiting for the engine side to come up with what they are contracted to provide.
I assume that EADS "accepts" this situation, as programme overall manager, but the silence about remedial action (if needed ?) in the engine programme is like waiting for the second shoe to drop. EADS may be trying to get that side sorted behind the scenes, without public spats about the clear failure to provide an airworthy power plant which would "upset" sensitive (but apparently not very competent) partners.
The story of the engine's development might provide good material for real investigative journalists or even conspiracy-seekers in the film industry, but surely it's well past time for some "authority" on the engine side to come out from EADS' shadow and provide something more than Soviet-style platitudes about "the programme is proceeding well according to schedule".
Once the engines are working properly will be the time to blog about the airframe's performance - and if they don't get the software sorted, the programme's failure would be clearly seen to have been caused by incompetence outside the direct control of EADS/Airbus Military ...
I assume that EADS "accepts" this situation, as programme overall manager, but the silence about remedial action (if needed ?) in the engine programme is like waiting for the second shoe to drop. EADS may be trying to get that side sorted behind the scenes, without public spats about the clear failure to provide an airworthy power plant which would "upset" sensitive (but apparently not very competent) partners.
The story of the engine's development might provide good material for real investigative journalists or even conspiracy-seekers in the film industry, but surely it's well past time for some "authority" on the engine side to come out from EADS' shadow and provide something more than Soviet-style platitudes about "the programme is proceeding well according to schedule".
Once the engines are working properly will be the time to blog about the airframe's performance - and if they don't get the software sorted, the programme's failure would be clearly seen to have been caused by incompetence outside the direct control of EADS/Airbus Military ...
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From: Toulouse area, France
A400 hiring ...
@ glad rag ...
Nice to know they're "taking on" at Seville, which is a ("small" ?) sign of progress - nicer still would be "taking off", with an engine whose hard- and soft-ware work as required by the certification authority ... (Why on earth "they" decided that an aircraft destined for military use should be certificated under civil rules is a question to which, again, no satisfactory (ie, non-Sir Humphrey) answer has been given and which has been also accused of being responsible for weight above original spec).
Europrop seems to be an unusually uncommunicative outfit, and EADS seems to accept that, possibly because of military restrictions within partner governments.
Although the "respite" recently granted to the programme is far from expiring, it would seem appropriate for news of progress in the engine department to be announced (if any).
PS. For the suspicious minds, I am N O T a journalist, but I shall still be disappointed if there's a reply on the lines of "if you need to know, you know already". In any case, the state of play will be known in the end, whatever rushing for shelter from the draught from the proverbial fan may be under way ...
Nice to know they're "taking on" at Seville, which is a ("small" ?) sign of progress - nicer still would be "taking off", with an engine whose hard- and soft-ware work as required by the certification authority ... (Why on earth "they" decided that an aircraft destined for military use should be certificated under civil rules is a question to which, again, no satisfactory (ie, non-Sir Humphrey) answer has been given and which has been also accused of being responsible for weight above original spec).
Europrop seems to be an unusually uncommunicative outfit, and EADS seems to accept that, possibly because of military restrictions within partner governments.
Although the "respite" recently granted to the programme is far from expiring, it would seem appropriate for news of progress in the engine department to be announced (if any).
PS. For the suspicious minds, I am N O T a journalist, but I shall still be disappointed if there's a reply on the lines of "if you need to know, you know already". In any case, the state of play will be known in the end, whatever rushing for shelter from the draught from the proverbial fan may be under way ...
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From: Another S**thole
Great rumours doing the rounds that the MOD have finally accepted the A400M delay and the associated airlift gap:
Option 1: Extend the C130K until 2017 for £325M
Option 2: Purchase 6 x ex-RSAF C130Es
Option 3: Purchase more C130J and C17
No doubt we will go for the cheapest option and that is not the preferred buy of C130J and C17
Ex-RSAF C130Es
Option 1: Extend the C130K until 2017 for £325M
Option 2: Purchase 6 x ex-RSAF C130Es
Option 3: Purchase more C130J and C17
No doubt we will go for the cheapest option and that is not the preferred buy of C130J and C17
Ex-RSAF C130Es
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From: UK
Well, that means that they've probably mean maintained on a cost-no-object basis by Lock-Mart contractors, and aren't likely to have been flogged to death (things do get flogged in Saudi, but I can't see the Herc fleet being one of them).
But another mini-fleet? Option C for common sense...... please..... (6 to 12 more C-17s and another dozen Js would be a good start!)
S41
But another mini-fleet? Option C for common sense...... please..... (6 to 12 more C-17s and another dozen Js would be a good start!)
S41
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From: gloucester
C-130's
I also heard a rummer last week that 5 c-130 J's had been purchased straight from the production line to replace the K's. However the Herk bloke i heard it from said it might take upto 2 years for the Gucci, easy to use floor, to be cleared for use!!!!
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From: UK
Why not just us US clearances?
Why dont they just sign it off using the US clearances a la C-17? Surely most of the kit we throw out the back is American spec anyway?
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From: Germany
If only that were the case for Tac AT. The Type V was a good case in point.
Want to hazard a guess as to how many American spec chutes the UK could have bought with the savings found by not pushing the J through Qinetiq trials and took the aircraft with US clearances?
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From: Another S**thole
Does the C-130K life extension involve the Delaware wings, seems mighty expensive if so?
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From: The World
Type V was a good case in point.
But agree that we ruined a good cargo compartment for no sensible reason.
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From: N51 09".94 W001 45".51
Actually vin if you did indeed know your stuff you would be aware that the 4a was a retro fit as the air force ordered the j with just a flat floor and wanted to adapt the old skydel which turned out to be far too difficult and time consuming. You can knock qinetiq all you like but they werent even around when the floor got cleared for most things and if you want to take lockgreeds word for anything you are a fool 
Champagne anyone...?
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From: EGDL
wanted to adapt the old skydel
Not sure, but believed to include new avionics upgrade as well as wing replacement for all 9 remaining C130K Mk1/3Aa
If they really were worried about a gap in AT capability (this is INTRA-theatre AT we're talking about here, not big, Brize stuff) then they couldn't go far wrong binning the bulk of the K fleet that's left and tipping the resources and manpower freed up in generating more Js onto the flightline every day. The amount of time, effort and resources that are poured into keeping the K fleet going is wholly disproportionate to the airlift effect that is returned.
That said, this is Lyneham we're talking about and nothing makes much sense here anyway
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From: Germany
Haven't some K's recieved some sort of recent cockpit upgrade anyway, fully glassified?
Unless you define "glassify" as the clinking of Kio brandy bottles on the way back from AKI....
ou can knock qinetiq all you like but they werent even around when the floor got cleared for most things and if you want to take lockgreeds word for anything you are a fool
