Grob to deliver 20 more G115 for RAF training
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Grob to deliver 20 more G115 for RAF training
Grob (H3) today got a new order for 20 more G115 basic trainers for the RAF's training. Fast deliveries until End 2009. Value: above 10 million Euros. Not bad. So the 97 G115 VT-Aerospace have seem to work nicely?
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Weitere Grob G115 für Schulung bei der RAF - FLUG REVUE
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Weitere Grob G115 für Schulung bei der RAF - FLUG REVUE
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More Grob 115's
Well I suppose the net increase in Grob 115 Tutors will only be about +18 as there have been two lost recently in the St Athan AEF mid air accident.
Well I suppose the net increase in Grob 115 Tutors will only be about +18 as there have been two lost recently in the St Athan AEF mid air accident.
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Off the top of my head, hasn't one been crashed (SUAS, lost a prop blade IIRC), and at least one suffered a nosewheel collapse after a heavy landing? Does anyone know if these aircraft have been returned to service?
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Thanks for that guys. Does anyone know if the order for new 115s was placed before Grob filed for insolvency? And if it was, will that have any effect on the delivery timescales?
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The have new owners and are alive and kicking.
From their website:
"Grob, headquartered in Tussenhausen-Mattsies Germany, with its research, development, manufacturing and assembly facilities starts into a new future with the backing of H3 Aerospace as strategic partner. The new corporation operates under the name Grob Aircraft AG, and is a 100% subsidiary of H3 Aerospace GmbH & Co KG.
Grob Aircraft is one of the world’s largest and most experienced composite aircraft manufacturers since 1971. Within its 35 years of history Grob delivered more than 3,500 aircraft that have flown over seven million hours on five continents. Its product range evolved from pioneering gliders of the 70s, the record- breaking high-altitude aircraft of the 80s and 90s, and to today’s leading edge designed and state-of-the-art business jets, as well as to training and special mission aircraft."
And here is another little backgrounder in english:
H3 AEROSPACE acquires Grob Aircraft - FLUG REVUE
From their website:
"Grob, headquartered in Tussenhausen-Mattsies Germany, with its research, development, manufacturing and assembly facilities starts into a new future with the backing of H3 Aerospace as strategic partner. The new corporation operates under the name Grob Aircraft AG, and is a 100% subsidiary of H3 Aerospace GmbH & Co KG.
Grob Aircraft is one of the world’s largest and most experienced composite aircraft manufacturers since 1971. Within its 35 years of history Grob delivered more than 3,500 aircraft that have flown over seven million hours on five continents. Its product range evolved from pioneering gliders of the 70s, the record- breaking high-altitude aircraft of the 80s and 90s, and to today’s leading edge designed and state-of-the-art business jets, as well as to training and special mission aircraft."
And here is another little backgrounder in english:
H3 AEROSPACE acquires Grob Aircraft - FLUG REVUE
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I think that picture may be mis-labelled. If you click on the pic you will see a series of pics, the rest of which are labelled Grob 120 (as opposed to 115e).
Certainly if we had retractable gear there would be every chance of being back down to the current number of aircraft in about 3 weeks!!!
Certainly if we had retractable gear there would be every chance of being back down to the current number of aircraft in about 3 weeks!!!
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Retractable dunlops
It's not so much landing without dangling the Dunlops that, the more major risk appears currently to be bumping into each other, although I accept that the greater sophistication of retractable gear may increase the risk of more concrete contact. The fix for the former is more problematic, more to do with supervision, authorisation and compliance issues, and less to do with A/C properties and design.
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The fix for the former is more problematic, more to do with supervision, authorisation and compliance issues, and less to do with A/C properties and design.
Does this mean that you have seen the full inquiry reports? I assume you must have because I am sure that you would not make presumptions on this topic, before the report is made "public".
I suppose that I could make some sort of presumption though if I wanted, or at least ask a question or two. How easy is it to see a white aircraft against a background of white cloud and snow on the ground? Why have trainiing aircraft historically been painted in conspicuous colours? Aircraft properties and design perhaps?
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Formers and latters
Yes they were juxtapositioned, and yes, fixing "bumping into each other" is more difficult. Accepted that white A/C do have drawbacks, but then what about strobes, and what about white A/C seen against dark backgrounds - there is no perfect colour /marking scheme. It hasn't been invented yet. No substitute for Mk 1 eyeball and vigilance whatever colour !
I make no other comment, but as will many others, I will be interested to read the BoI, AAIB and Inquest reports, and any corrective actions that ensue.
I make no other comment, but as will many others, I will be interested to read the BoI, AAIB and Inquest reports, and any corrective actions that ensue.
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Spotting a blue and white a/c against a background of ground and sea on a particularly sunny day?
I'd like to see the improved chances of that. Anyone else experienced the conspicuity patches applied to the rest of the air cadet GRP fleet and experienced how difficult it is to see them in similar conditions, even when you know they are operating in proximity to you, let alone trying to establish over the same VRP at a similar time, and same height, when said VRP is overhead a littoral area?
They can't do any better than dayglo flashes on the wings as the airframes can't withstand the temperatures of being any other colour and the orange flashes don't make a damn bit of difference IMHO when they catch sunlight.
I'd like to see the improved chances of that. Anyone else experienced the conspicuity patches applied to the rest of the air cadet GRP fleet and experienced how difficult it is to see them in similar conditions, even when you know they are operating in proximity to you, let alone trying to establish over the same VRP at a similar time, and same height, when said VRP is overhead a littoral area?
They can't do any better than dayglo flashes on the wings as the airframes can't withstand the temperatures of being any other colour and the orange flashes don't make a damn bit of difference IMHO when they catch sunlight.
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I would think that on cost grounds some sort of EFIS display in likely, the curent aircraft are fitted with the Bendix/king KCS55 compass system that costs about $12,000.
The Aspin EFD1000 will provide all the attitude & heading data that you need ( as well as an ADC) and is much less trouble to fit and interface with the other avionics and at a cost of $6000.
Aspen Avionics: EFD1000 Pilot PFD
The Aspin EFD1000 will provide all the attitude & heading data that you need ( as well as an ADC) and is much less trouble to fit and interface with the other avionics and at a cost of $6000.
Aspen Avionics: EFD1000 Pilot PFD