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Grob to deliver 20 more G115 for RAF training

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Old 8th Apr 2009, 08:06
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Couldn't possibly fit that EFIS - no gyros for CFS to endlessly groundcat

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Old 8th Apr 2009, 09:07
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Also, I would have thought any sort of EFIS or advanced avionics fit would be a no-no until the Tucano has something similar. No point teaching EFT on a glass cockpit before dumping people into Tuc and Hawk T1s.
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I would think that on cost grounds some sort of EFIS display in likely, the curent aircraft are fitted with the Bendix/king KCS55 compass system that costs about $12,000.

The Aspin EFD1000 will provide all the attitude & heading data that you need ( as well as an ADC) and is much less trouble to fit and interface with the other avionics and at a cost of $6000.
No chance then - MoD wouldn't want to buy anything because it was cheaper, I'm sure
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Also, I would have thought any sort of EFIS or advanced avionics fit would be a no-no until the Tucano has something similar. No point teaching EFT on a glass cockpit before dumping people into Tuc and Hawk T1s.
I haven't seen any evidence that student pilots find it difficult to convert to steam guages having learnt first on an EFIS. I think that it is in fact easier to convert from EFIS to steam guages, than to first learn on steam and then move to EFIS. So I don't think it necessarily the case that EFIS should be avoided on EFT.
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Old 8th Apr 2009, 20:27
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What happened to the Fenton Grob that was 'landed' in the undershoot by one of our F&C students severl years ago (first day of taking over FSO) - did it get back flying?
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The great thing with some of the retro fit avionics is that they can be configered to user requirments so the Aspin EFD100 can mirror the old set up in the Grob, Yes you are not using half the functions but this will keep the training standard.

If you are looking at a new aircraft you would be foolish not to look at the modern display units, the Bendix/King KCS55 Compass system is a very good reliable system and was the bench mark for so long however it is a dog that has had it's day.

The Aspin is cheaper to buy, fit and maintain it interfaces with modern nav equipment using half the wire conections of the old unit and weighs half as much. Also the sysyem being two units rather than three it can be changed on the line much more quickly.

The only down side is the certification cost (via EASA) but across a fleet of 20 aircraft that is not such a big issue when you take into account the long term savings.
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