Evolution of PAAMS/Sea Viper
Navaleye
Link still not working here, but I did manage to see it on a different machine in a different place. I note that no mention is made of any surface to surface role. The mention of a TBMD role is another indication of the seriousness of the cuts in numbers.
Is there any other UK platform (land, sea or air based) capable of dealing with ballistic missiles?
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I suspect the Army and Royal Marines have been demanding better NGS capabilities - hence the interest in the bigger gun. Also does it compensate for having less frigates and destroyers for NGS?
Link still not working here, but I did manage to see it on a different machine in a different place. I note that no mention is made of any surface to surface role. The mention of a TBMD role is another indication of the seriousness of the cuts in numbers.
Is there any other UK platform (land, sea or air based) capable of dealing with ballistic missiles?
nunquamparatus
I suspect the Army and Royal Marines have been demanding better NGS capabilities - hence the interest in the bigger gun. Also does it compensate for having less frigates and destroyers for NGS?
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I suspect the RM may have mentioned better NGS in passing, and that the Army couldn't give a stuff. Also good to get yourself out of harm's way, but I just don't see a gun, even with advanced ammo, outranging something like a Silkworm. I imagine the case turns merely on a long-term investment appraisal of using a common, developing system instead of a bespoke one.
Also, I for one am pleased to se that at least somebody is taking TBMD seriously. And I agree, I'd rather have more surface combatants, but as we've put all our eggs into the 'two carriers' basket, I guess we'll have to live with what we can get
Also, I for one am pleased to se that at least somebody is taking TBMD seriously. And I agree, I'd rather have more surface combatants, but as we've put all our eggs into the 'two carriers' basket, I guess we'll have to live with what we can get
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Well I don't see any mention of Extended Range Munitions yet ( which give a lot more than an extra few km ) - then again it's obvious to anyone that a ship with one type of every system just requires an unlucky hit or malfunction to get knobbled - see the Falklands War & HMS Coventry + others; of course the designers / specifying politicians weren't aboard in combat.
I don't find any surprise in Daring not being fully operational, I've never seen a complex military system which is !
I don't find any surprise in Daring not being fully operational, I've never seen a complex military system which is !
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The Germans stuck the whole turret on. I think its from a PzHsomethingorother.
One problem was corrosion (suprise suprise) and they seemed to have problems with it. I think it was in a recentish (last 3-4 months) in Jane's.
One problem was corrosion (suprise suprise) and they seemed to have problems with it. I think it was in a recentish (last 3-4 months) in Jane's.
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The weapon systems of today's warships are less reliant on centralised computer systems and are therefore less susceptible to being put out of action by limited action damage such as having cabling cut by cannon fire.
One of the factors in the loss of both Sheffield and Coventry was the fact that they had been fitted with old radar systems, furthermore the Argentines also had Type 42s, so they could practice dodging radar detection by lobe pecking and other methods. The Type 45 has a brand new radar that is really state of the art - Sampson. Because the beam will be electronically steered, predicting the lobe pattern will be impossible.
Unless you were talking about the big(ish) gun on the foc'sle?
The weapon systems of today's warships are less reliant on centralised computer systems and are therefore less susceptible to being put out of action by limited action damage such as having cabling cut by cannon fire.
One of the factors in the loss of both Sheffield and Coventry was the fact that they had been fitted with old radar systems, furthermore the Argentines also had Type 42s, so they could practice dodging radar detection by lobe pecking and other methods. The Type 45 has a brand new radar that is really state of the art - Sampson. Because the beam will be electronically steered, predicting the lobe pattern will be impossible.
Unless you were talking about the big(ish) gun on the foc'sle?
It feels like a different age from when this thread was started. Three Type 45s have now deployed operationally. However, MOD is still dithering over whether an ABM capability is desirable, and has now decided to test potential capabilities that T45 may offer against the ballistic missile threat.
Bit of a problem at the moment - as discussed here.
With reference to potential missile threats we could do with having the means to have aircraft to find and hit the launchers, and to operate aircraft from a mobile platform. Didn't we send a CVS to the Gulf in early 1999 because od wories about the missile threat to bases in Kuwait?
By the way, current interest in medium calibre guns and smart ammunition types is not just related to NGS.
Originally Posted by nunquamparatus
One squadron of F-18s with JDAMs or a flight of GR9s with E-Paveways will do way more damage for much less bucks. Keep the good old 4.5", get some more ammo (maybe some ERGM to keep the techno-weenies at BAE in a job) and let the RAF worry about deep penetration from a Host Nation Support airfield...............(tees the ball up, waiting for WEBF to smack it)
With reference to potential missile threats we could do with having the means to have aircraft to find and hit the launchers, and to operate aircraft from a mobile platform. Didn't we send a CVS to the Gulf in early 1999 because od wories about the missile threat to bases in Kuwait?
By the way, current interest in medium calibre guns and smart ammunition types is not just related to NGS.
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It feels like a different age, indeed....
Wasn't really a problem in 2011. Don't see it being a particular problem at the moment, either...
let the RAF worry about deep penetration from a Host Nation Support airfield...............(tees the ball up, waiting for WEBF to smack it)
Bit of a problem at the moment
Bit of a problem at the moment
