Accident Investigators and Boards of Inquiry - Terms of Reference
Mick Strigg:
Cheap shot MS, if you had followed the "Parliamentary Questions" thread and way off target if you haven't. To be honest the knee jerk reaction of circling the wagons and repelling all borders (not quite sure what happened there) is the very reason why his call for both an independent MAA and MAAIB is so essential. There will always be those at all levels in the CoC who decide that the exigencies of the Service are paramount. Sounds impressive but just substitute BA for RAF and ask yourself should they have airworthiness and accident investigation authority over their own operation? This farce not only wastes prodigious amounts of taxpayers money, far more importantly it has cost many needless deaths and will go on doing so. It has to be stopped.
Am I the only one that thinks that Flipster is a Journo looking to "hang us by our own petard"?
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micky stigg,
Think what you like, its a free country but I wouldn't touch your 'petard' (whatever it is) with yours!
I'm keeping my 'ard pet' to myself, perhaps you should do the same!!?
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ps R and G -TVM! ditto chug
Think what you like, its a free country but I wouldn't touch your 'petard' (whatever it is) with yours!
I'm keeping my 'ard pet' to myself, perhaps you should do the same!!?
(chuckles)
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ps R and G -TVM! ditto chug
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Having been on both ends of a BOI (mine was a Cat3 birdstrike - the other was an armament accident at Sharjah in 1968) and having been a Flight Safety Officer at 1 Gp; I can assure you that the President had a great deal of leeway in respect of his investigation during my years of service.
Unfortunately, this often lead to the BOI "chasing shadows" and coming to unsustainable conclusions.
Having been on both ends of a BOI (mine was a Cat3 birdstrike - the other was an armament accident at Sharjah in 1968) and having been a Flight Safety Officer at 1 Gp; I can assure you that the President had a great deal of leeway in respect of his investigation during my years of service.
Unfortunately, this often lead to the BOI "chasing shadows" and coming to unsustainable conclusions.
Caz:
You surprise me caz, I thought that was the sole privilege of AOC's and CinC's
Unfortunately, this often lead to the BOI "chasing shadows" and coming to unsustainable conclusions.
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Caz,
I'm glad to hear that 'your' BOI presidents had some leeway but there are plenty of people out there who might disagree with you - maybe not in 1 Gp but they would still disagree. Incidently, I agree that TORs should give some leeway but whether the board memebers would actually fancy critising the people who sign their ACRs is a variable I would rather see removed from BOIs/SIs.
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I'm glad to hear that 'your' BOI presidents had some leeway but there are plenty of people out there who might disagree with you - maybe not in 1 Gp but they would still disagree. Incidently, I agree that TORs should give some leeway but whether the board memebers would actually fancy critising the people who sign their ACRs is a variable I would rather see removed from BOIs/SIs.
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Madbob checking in to correct my original post. I should have cheched my facts first but I meant to refer to XV230 - the ref to XV206 was a mistake. Sorry for the confusion caused.
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No probs M8 - however, ALL accidents will have some organisational or 'latent' conditions that may predispose the operators to the 'un-safe act' that causes the accident. It is agruable that XV206 is no different - just not fully followed up for the reasons I intimate above. That is no slur on the BOI/SI members themselves but a comment referring to the 'latent' condition within the military system, which undermines effective detailed investigation of ALL the factors surrounding military accidents (shadowy or otherwise).
Why does the military not use the Reason Model properly, if at all?
No probs M8 - however, ALL accidents will have some organisational or 'latent' conditions that may predispose the operators to the 'un-safe act' that causes the accident. It is agruable that XV206 is no different - just not fully followed up for the reasons I intimate above. That is no slur on the BOI/SI members themselves but a comment referring to the 'latent' condition within the military system, which undermines effective detailed investigation of ALL the factors surrounding military accidents (shadowy or otherwise).
Why does the military not use the Reason Model properly, if at all?
